Jun 1, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 10 segments
The last Stubborn Things episode was so popular that we couldn’t resist doing yet another presidential tiers episode. Take a listen to hear how Sean and Jay rank the first presidents of the twentieth…
Jay CostHost
Sean TrendeHost[instrumental music] Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
The law will not bend to the uncertain wishes, imaginations, and wanton tempers of men.
The law no passion can disturb.
Welcome to Stubborn Things, a podcast about American politics where we chase the facts wherever they lead.
And today we have the third installment special edition of the official Stubborn Things Presidential Tier List.
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[instrumental music] Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
The law will not bend to the uncertain wishes, imaginations, and wanton tempers of men.
The law no passion can disturb.
Welcome to Stubborn Things, a podcast about American politics where we chase the facts wherever they lead.
And today we have the third installment special edition of the official Stubborn Things Presidential Tier List.
