What Does the CIA Know About AI That You Don’t? | Sue Gordon

And actually, I want to kick off actually by just picking up on something we were just talking about prior to saying action, which is, I think, so pertinent to technology and the world today.

And what you were describing it to you was saying, well, We have all of this innovation happening in the private sector and it steamrolls ahead and there's nobody who has the power to stop it or to try and apply some guardrails, some governance to think about the second order consequences of all of this change and innovation.

And what it made me think of was the fact that, okay, even if a country like America was to do that really rigorously, it could put itself at a disadvantage competitively with other nation states such as China.

That's not a crazy thought.

So I wonder if you could just unpack that whole dynamic and how you see it playing out.

See if I

can do it in an organized fashion and then you'll fix it for me.

Okay.

So I think that kind of a founder's vision of America, and I'm just going to extrapolate and say free and open societies, is you have two things in really wonderful tension, democracy and capitalism, right? That's kind of what free and open societies are.

I understand ours a little bit more in there.

intention purposefully, where you kind of want each to create friction on the other side.

So you are able to be wildly innovative and share your technologies and be leaders of the technical innovation worldwide.

You want that to happen.

But you'd kind of like it to be done within the rule of law.

And with the values that we have.

So those two things, our founders, put them in tension.

And we've been working that way for a long time.

Well, the world turned digital.

What? When was the first internet rise? In 96? Something like that? So even before that, you had the Morris Forum.

So I'm going to say 90.

We'll just say it turned digital.

And then kind of all bets were off because now the world is moving super fast.

Everyone is connected digitally.

Every technology is available to everyone.

There's infinite reach wherever you want to go.