Sep 6, 2026 · 53 min · 12 segments
Lord Peter Hain joins us on SMWX for a wide-ranging conversation on apartheid, the ANC, corruption, Nelson Mandela, Donald Trump, the Madlanga Commission and the alleged infiltration of South Africa’s…
Peter HainGuest
Sizwe Mpofu-WalshHost
apartheid itself was deeply corrupt people think apartheid is brutal some of them say oh yeah it must have been nasty but it wasn't corrupt yes it was people were lining their pockets i feel personally betrayed and i think many anti-apartheid activists do so the looted money that comes mostly from south african taxpayers african taxpayers poorer people in the in these countries ends up dwarfing the amount of overseas aid that these countries provide because it ends up in those countries.

You've got to have a government that will appoint non corrupt police chiefs and take on the crime bosses.
As a young person, he was one of the more prominent voices in the sports boycotts against apartheid era South Africa competing internationally.
He joins us here for his unique insights into corruption, the Zondo Commission, and thoughts about what's happening in South Africa and post-liberation movements across the world.
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