Sep 12, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min · 14 segments
While billions of people in this planet enjoy educational access here in the 21st century, globally, more than 272 million children and youth are out of school. Seven of ten ten-year olds who live in…
Giselle ByrnesGuest
Mark NicholsGuest
Curt BonkHost
Chris DedeHost
Punya MishraHost
Giselle, what do you hope people will get from this? What do you think they should attend to in this report that they might find beneficial to them?

One is the point I just briefly alluded to, and that is while the local conditions really do shape our education systems wherever we are in the world, when you are looking at education through the lens of scalability, accessibility, openness, and so on, then there are more commonalities than there are differences.

The second one, I think, would be the power and the value of indigenous knowledges and indigenous learnings.

And I say that in the context of the the technocentric age in which we are living through at the moment, the importance of keeping knowledge human, and the ability to harness and leverage the affordances of the new technology and particularly generative AI.

while at the same time remaining very focused on developing human capabilities that are aligned with values and skill sets that we designate as being very human.

The other thing that I would note, Kurt, is the importance of lifelong learning.

We know that learners, I think around the globe now, are demanding actually, not just expecting, but demanding that their education journey is a seamless and ongoing one.

And funders and regulators, and I'm thinking specifically in the context that we're operating here in Aotearoa New Zealand, really need to think about aligning the policy settings and the incentives and the kind of theoretical apparatus that we have to operate within alongside those learner demands for lifelong learning.

So here in Aotearoa New Zealand, as you will know, Kurt, we tend to talk about tertiary education.

One of my personal bugbears is that tertiary education, even the nomenclature, implies that there's a primary education, a secondary education and tertiary and that education is somehow linear and that it may even cease at the tertiary level.

And indeed, as you've alluded to, the Open University of China are doing some amazing things with people who are over the age of 80 years and beyond.

you know, to ensure that we can really leverage education, health, wellbeing, and really create benefit for everyone.

So I think they would be the three things for me about the sort of local specifics, but the general, you know, the themes that we have in common, and particularly around openness and scalability and accessibility, indigeneity, and also the power of lifelong learning.

Mark, I'm going to throw the same question to you, but added to it the issue of quality, because quality is a tough thing to measure.

I don't know if someone twisted your arm on it or if there's another reason you decided to jump in there, because it's a challenge, I guess.

Giselle, what do you hope people will get from this? What do you think they should attend to in this report that they might find beneficial to them?

One is the point I just briefly alluded to, and that is while the local conditions really do shape our education systems wherever we are in the world, when you are looking at education through the lens of scalability, accessibility, openness, and so on, then there are more commonalities than there are differences.

The second one, I think, would be the power and the value of indigenous knowledges and indigenous learnings.

And I say that in the context of the the technocentric age in which we are living through at the moment, the importance of keeping knowledge human, and the ability to harness and leverage the affordances of the new technology and particularly generative AI.

while at the same time remaining very focused on developing human capabilities that are aligned with values and skill sets that we designate as being very human.

The other thing that I would note, Kurt, is the importance of lifelong learning.

We know that learners, I think around the globe now, are demanding actually, not just expecting, but demanding that their education journey is a seamless and ongoing one.

And funders and regulators, and I'm thinking specifically in the context that we're operating here in Aotearoa New Zealand, really need to think about aligning the policy settings and the incentives and the kind of theoretical apparatus that we have to operate within alongside those learner demands for lifelong learning.

So here in Aotearoa New Zealand, as you will know, Kurt, we tend to talk about tertiary education.

One of my personal bugbears is that tertiary education, even the nomenclature, implies that there's a primary education, a secondary education and tertiary and that education is somehow linear and that it may even cease at the tertiary level.

And indeed, as you've alluded to, the Open University of China are doing some amazing things with people who are over the age of 80 years and beyond.

you know, to ensure that we can really leverage education, health, wellbeing, and really create benefit for everyone.

So I think they would be the three things for me about the sort of local specifics, but the general, you know, the themes that we have in common, and particularly around openness and scalability and accessibility, indigeneity, and also the power of lifelong learning.

Mark, I'm going to throw the same question to you, but added to it the issue of quality, because quality is a tough thing to measure.

I don't know if someone twisted your arm on it or if there's another reason you decided to jump in there, because it's a challenge, I guess.
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