Bonus: Borthwick on Janse van Rensburg, RFU review & summer schedule

Okay, so he's keen not make too much of a deal of it, which is understandable.

We're talking, we're talking Van Rensburg here.

Yes, sorry, of, uh, Bernard, because, uh, it isn't really a big deal, is it? It's happened many times before.

It's not that much of a surprise.

I think the angle we're coming from is there's a lot of good English quality 12s, which we didn't have before.

My biggest, not concern, it's my biggest theory on it, is around the autumn when there was a lot of talk about him playing for England, he was head and shoulders above every other...

Uh, he, he was the best player in the league at some stage early this season.

We were talking about him regular of how good he was playing.

I haven't seen that really since, uh, post Six Nations.

I just haven't seen the same player on the pitch.

So that's my biggest surprise in him going straight in, but I get that he wants to see what kind of player and person he is, so he's got to get him in there at some point and find out.

And, uh, my other big surprise is, uh, he did not mention Max, did he?

Yeah, I mean, I, I asked about sp- particularly about Ollie Lawrence.

Um, we're a little bit on the clock because he'd, he had loads of other things on.

So, um, yeah, the, and the Jomo clearly, clearly there is something he doesn't quite like about a Jomo.

Which can happen with coaches.

And again-

I, I had it, yeah, I had it many times.

[laughs] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you, you...

I mean, what was it? 2016, I remember you'd just come off the back of a Champions Cup win-

Mm-hmm

... and probably a Prem win-

Mm-hmm

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