Sep 1, 2026 · 46 min · 8 segments
The way you show up for other people may be the real measure of your life. Rudy shares a deeply personal shift sparked by grief, books, and near-death experience stories, while Ben and Tina unpack…
We did a podcast with them and he sent it to me, some more situations sent to me, right? I've been reading it.
And she said that really knowing someone, trying to understand someone and being present in their experience is the point.
I was like, oh, like, Rudy's like, I think what's kind of, like, when I was with you, it was like, you're going to be in the moment in my experience, and you're just going to be present.
But I also think it's like, part of what I'm taking away from the book, I wanted to get your thoughts, is what it's been doing to me is probably challenging me a bit.
Oftentimes when I meet people for the first time, not in a podcast setting, because I feel like in this setting, I'm in control.
And it's like, I have some credibility walking in because you're coming into my podcast, you know.
But if I'm walking in and I'm meeting someone in another setting, I can be quiet and reserved because I'm not sure about myself.
And he's basically saying like, what you're bringing and what you're showing to people is like, you might actually be insecure, but what you're showing is that you don't actually value that other person.
He's like, so you might be quiet and you're not because you're not actually valuing the other person.
We did a podcast with them and he sent it to me, some more situations sent to me, right? I've been reading it.
And she said that really knowing someone, trying to understand someone and being present in their experience is the point.
I was like, oh, like, Rudy's like, I think what's kind of, like, when I was with you, it was like, you're going to be in the moment in my experience, and you're just going to be present.
But I also think it's like, part of what I'm taking away from the book, I wanted to get your thoughts, is what it's been doing to me is probably challenging me a bit.
Oftentimes when I meet people for the first time, not in a podcast setting, because I feel like in this setting, I'm in control.
And it's like, I have some credibility walking in because you're coming into my podcast, you know.
But if I'm walking in and I'm meeting someone in another setting, I can be quiet and reserved because I'm not sure about myself.
And he's basically saying like, what you're bringing and what you're showing to people is like, you might actually be insecure, but what you're showing is that you don't actually value that other person.
He's like, so you might be quiet and you're not because you're not actually valuing the other person.
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