Oct 14, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 14 segments
**Topics covered in this episode:** - **A quick chat with Brian looking back** - **Extras** - **Joke** Watch on YouTube **About the show** **Brian…
Brett CannonGuestCarol WillingGuest
Calvin Hendryx-ParkerHostNick MooreGuestAnd Nick, you have the probably most popular topic if you look at the derivative or second derivative of how fast it's got attention lately.
not heard about Jev, you have been living under a rock because it's the new kid in the block and it has made quite his presence known.
and what it is is a new type of ai model that is not like your usual llm um the folks from types type safe ai these are the creators of jeff i'll call it a system one decision model and so system one if you've read the book uh thinking fast thinking slow they're like two different system types that's the system one and system two so jeff um is like very focused on the system one uh type of inference and what this means is that you have instead of generating text like a quen model or a chat gpt model instead it makes decisions on either yes or no offers like gives you score probabilities for a rank of choices or it gives you like a score for like how how much something is like a range score about how much something is.
Vincent from Marimo did a video about it, and he was benchmarking it against traditional LLMs.
And classification is one of the things that, depending on the situation, can be really hard, can be really simple.
And so he benchmarked it against a couple of real-world datasets and beat all of them.
He does a great explanation of it that allows you to train very basic LLM models like BERT or QUINN embedding models and uses it for classification.
Now, the reason why I brought it up was because the use of JEV, even though it's really cheap, really fast, is really interesting.
But there is another interesting point that Vincent made, whereby in most companies, there's a lot of data that is unlabeled.
And it is going to be more cost effective to train your own local model on your own proprietary data than it is to use a general model, even if something as cheap and fast as JEV.
So what you could do is to take the Jev model and help you create more accurate data sets, get you more cleaner
And Nick, you have the probably most popular topic if you look at the derivative or second derivative of how fast it's got attention lately.
not heard about Jev, you have been living under a rock because it's the new kid in the block and it has made quite his presence known.
and what it is is a new type of ai model that is not like your usual llm um the folks from types type safe ai these are the creators of jeff i'll call it a system one decision model and so system one if you've read the book uh thinking fast thinking slow they're like two different system types that's the system one and system two so jeff um is like very focused on the system one uh type of inference and what this means is that you have instead of generating text like a quen model or a chat gpt model instead it makes decisions on either yes or no offers like gives you score probabilities for a rank of choices or it gives you like a score for like how how much something is like a range score about how much something is.
Vincent from Marimo did a video about it, and he was benchmarking it against traditional LLMs.
And classification is one of the things that, depending on the situation, can be really hard, can be really simple.
And so he benchmarked it against a couple of real-world datasets and beat all of them.
He does a great explanation of it that allows you to train very basic LLM models like BERT or QUINN embedding models and uses it for classification.
Now, the reason why I brought it up was because the use of JEV, even though it's really cheap, really fast, is really interesting.
But there is another interesting point that Vincent made, whereby in most companies, there's a lot of data that is unlabeled.
And it is going to be more cost effective to train your own local model on your own proprietary data than it is to use a general model, even if something as cheap and fast as JEV.
So what you could do is to take the Jev model and help you create more accurate data sets, get you more cleaner
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