PT 657 - Rachel Turetzky PhD & Douglas S. Wingate DTCM: The Eight-Circuit Model, Metaprogramming, and Psychedelic Therapy

Kyle and Joe interview Rachel Turetzky & Douglas S. Wingate about their perspectives on the Wilson\\Leary 8 Circuit Model of consciousness. They recently released a CE approved program on Psychedelic Education Center to train therapists on this model and how to integrate the 8 Circuit Model into your clinical therapy practice. ### In this episode: - **Maybe Day and maybe logic:** Honoring Robert Anton Wilson and learning to hold beliefs, models, and interpretations more lightly - **Reality tunnels:** How biology, experience, culture, and conditioning filter our perception of reality - **Robert Anton Wilson's legacy:** Guerrilla ontology, stand-up philosophy, *Prometheus Rising*, and using humor to destabilize rigid beliefs - **Timothy Leary beyond the caricature:** His early work in psychology, the development of the Eight-Circuit Model, and the parts of his intellectual legacy that are often overlooked - **The first four circuits:** Bodily safety, emotional territory, language and symbolic thinking, and social and relational conditioning - **The upper circuits:** Sensory and somatic intelligence, metacognition, archetypal and transpersonal experience, and unitive states of consciousness - **Metaprogramming:** Identifying the beliefs, imprints, and automatic patterns shaping our lives—and developing the capacity to revise them - **Circuit Zero and Stanislav Grof:** Prenatal and perinatal experience, the basic perinatal matrices, and the lasting influence of early development - **Normalizing unusual experiences:** Archetypal encounters, ancestral material, entities, out-of-body experiences, synchronicities, and other phenomena that conventional psychology may struggle to interpret - **Psychedelics and re-imprinting:** How expanded states may loosen entrenched developmental patterns and create opportunities for psychological change - **Pleasure as therapeutic material:** Anhedonia, chronic survival states, the "hedonic intelligence" of Circuit Five, and learning to experience joy without treating it as a distraction from the work - **Clinical applications:** Using the model during psychedelic preparation to identify intentions, developmental imprints, and material that may emerge - **Medicine and dosage selection:** How MDMA, ketamine, psilocybin, LSD, and 5-MeO-DMT may produce different experiences depending on the intention and dose - **Integration and verticality:** Grounding expansive, archetypal, or unitive experiences through the body, emotions, relationships, and everyday life - **Chapel Perilous:** Understanding destabilizing experiences, ontological shock, spiritual emergencies, and the process of reconstructing meaning afterward - **Beyond psychedelics:** Connections with yoga, meditation, occult practice, Chinese medicine, chakra systems, and other psychospiritual traditions - **The new course:** The structure of *The Eight-Circuit Model of Consciousness: An Integrative Framework for Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy*, including its 14 lessons, practical exercises, assessments, certification, and continuing-education options