Sep 16, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 23 segments
\[Original air date: June 24, 2024] Maya Hawke (Stranger Things, Inside Out 2) drops by the pod and shares why conventional schooling wasn’t for her, and how growing up immersed in art shaped her. She…
Maya HawkeGuest
Penn BadgleyHost
Nava KavelinHost
Sophie AnsariHost
I'm also interested in what the future of media is going to be like, because, you know, the automatic part of it, the numbers, the algorithms, the computation, that's not going away.
i i agree i don't think anything is going away i do think that as conscious thoughtful citizens and artists and people we get to examine our responsibility to um consume that information um and um and whether or not it is our responsibility um or if it's actually our responsibility not to um and i'm you know because there's all these old stories about like You know, Sam Shepard's friends not letting him go to the party at when his first play was on Broadway.
They were like, you're going to get, you know, consumed by the industry if you do that.
You're not a... industry hack you know and now it feels like that whole attitude is dead maybe for the better but nobody would tell you not to go accept your party um or your award there's no there's no cool level to being like fuck the man no one would tell you not to give your song away to an advertisement or you know the the industry is so economically deprived that um artists are in no way being encouraged you can't, you can't make a living wage and fuck the man.
So, you know, we're like, you used to be able to kind of buy a house and fuck the man.
I'm also interested in what the future of media is going to be like, because, you know, the automatic part of it, the numbers, the algorithms, the computation, that's not going away.
i i agree i don't think anything is going away i do think that as conscious thoughtful citizens and artists and people we get to examine our responsibility to um consume that information um and um and whether or not it is our responsibility um or if it's actually our responsibility not to um and i'm you know because there's all these old stories about like You know, Sam Shepard's friends not letting him go to the party at when his first play was on Broadway.
They were like, you're going to get, you know, consumed by the industry if you do that.
You're not a... industry hack you know and now it feels like that whole attitude is dead maybe for the better but nobody would tell you not to go accept your party um or your award there's no there's no cool level to being like fuck the man no one would tell you not to give your song away to an advertisement or you know the the industry is so economically deprived that um artists are in no way being encouraged you can't, you can't make a living wage and fuck the man.
So, you know, we're like, you used to be able to kind of buy a house and fuck the man.
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