Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer
Jun 9, 2026 · 39 min · 13 segments
Why have wages for working Americans stagnated for decades—even as productivity, corporate profits, and the wealth of the people at the top continued to rise? The mainstream explanations are familiar…
Larry MishelGuestJosh BivensGuestOver the last couple weeks, we've been talking about market humanism, the idea that markets are not forces of nature, they are human-built systems shaped by rules, policy choices, and power.
One of the clearest examples is wages.
We're often told that workers simply earn whatever the market says they're worth, but as this conversation with Larry Mishel and Josh Bivens makes clear, wage stagnation did not just happen.
It was the result of decades of policy choices that weakened worker bargaining power and shifted more of the economy's gains to the top.
So this week we're revisiting an episode that helps explain how we got here and why building a better economy requires making different choices.
Now, before we dive in, just one exciting and quick programming note, Nick joined Stephen Bartlett on The Diary of a CEO this week for a wide-ranging debate about wages, inequality, AI, and the future of capitalism.
You can find a link to that conversation in the show notes.
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Over the last couple weeks, we've been talking about market humanism, the idea that markets are not forces of nature, they are human-built systems shaped by rules, policy choices, and power.
One of the clearest examples is wages.
We're often told that workers simply earn whatever the market says they're worth, but as this conversation with Larry Mishel and Josh Bivens makes clear, wage stagnation did not just happen.
It was the result of decades of policy choices that weakened worker bargaining power and shifted more of the economy's gains to the top.
So this week we're revisiting an episode that helps explain how we got here and why building a better economy requires making different choices.
Now, before we dive in, just one exciting and quick programming note, Nick joined Stephen Bartlett on The Diary of a CEO this week for a wide-ranging debate about wages, inequality, AI, and the future of capitalism.
You can find a link to that conversation in the show notes.