Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer
Jul 14, 2026 · 49 min · 12 segments
This week, we’re continuing our archive miniseries, Myths That Built Trickle-Down Economics, with the myth that austerity is responsible economic policy. We’re revisiting this conversation now…
Clara MatteiGuestWell, Goldy, Clara's really smart, and like you I'm sure, I'm very sympathetic to lots of her arguments.
... uh, I have, uh, a lot more sympathies towards the, this sort of class analysis than you do.
I'm also a lot less protective of the capitalist order because it hasn't worked as well for me as it has for you.
Y- you know, you and I have been spent the last five years together, whatever it is, writing a book which seeks to demolish capitalism, so we're in violent-
It had its role in human societies, I think, for the last 100 or 200 years, but it no longer is up to the challenge, the challenge of inequality, the challenge of climate change, the cl- the challenge of the coming demographic transition.
You know, capitalism is insufficient to deal with the great problems, uh, modern societies face and has to go.
You know, part of her thesis is this idea that, uh, capitalism presents itself as inevitable, that this is the end of history, that, that market capitalism is the only system-
Well, Goldy, Clara's really smart, and like you I'm sure, I'm very sympathetic to lots of her arguments.
... uh, I have, uh, a lot more sympathies towards the, this sort of class analysis than you do.
I'm also a lot less protective of the capitalist order because it hasn't worked as well for me as it has for you.
Y- you know, you and I have been spent the last five years together, whatever it is, writing a book which seeks to demolish capitalism, so we're in violent-
It had its role in human societies, I think, for the last 100 or 200 years, but it no longer is up to the challenge, the challenge of inequality, the challenge of climate change, the cl- the challenge of the coming demographic transition.
You know, capitalism is insufficient to deal with the great problems, uh, modern societies face and has to go.
You know, part of her thesis is this idea that, uh, capitalism presents itself as inevitable, that this is the end of history, that, that market capitalism is the only system-
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