Jun 4, 2026 · 20 min · 9 segments
In this episode, Katherine Forrest and Scott Caravello tackle a packed week in AI news through a lightning round spanning executive action, the Pope’s encyclical on AI, state-level labor policy…
Catherine ForrestHost
Scott CaravelloHostSo the AI executive order that wasn't, at least hasn't been yet, shall we say.
So on May 21st, everything was set for this big White House signing ceremony for this, what we thought was going to be an AI order.
And in fact, you and I were thinking of pivoting and And actually recording a special episode on that as soon as it came out.

And then just hours before the ceremony, President Trump pulled the plug on the whole thing.


And so his quote was about the canceling of the order, was that we're leading China, we're leading everybody, and that he didn't want to do anything that's going to get in the way of that lead.
I think that from the July executive order, then the December executive order, then the March executive order, we've seen sort of the signs of this.
So it's not surprising that he will at least wait until he gets it to the point that he thinks it's consistent with many of the things that he's already said.
But what was in the order that almost was and still might be And we only have reporting based on a leaked draft.
And so I just want to caution people that, you know, this is not an executive order.
So first, there was going to be a cybersecurity section, apparently, that would have directed agencies to shore up their defenses against AI-fueled cyber attacks.
And second, there was going to be a part And this is sort of what apparently concerned the president, that had a voluntary framework for AI developers to share advanced models with the government for a kind of security review prior to public release.
So it was going to be voluntary, but it was going to be a pre-launch review.

Yeah, and that's what I think is so interesting about all of the changing positions, right, in that whole voluntary aspect, because it stated that nothing was going to be construed to authorize the creation of a mandatory licensing or permitting requirement for new AI models.

So the AI executive order that wasn't, at least hasn't been yet, shall we say.
So on May 21st, everything was set for this big White House signing ceremony for this, what we thought was going to be an AI order.
And in fact, you and I were thinking of pivoting and And actually recording a special episode on that as soon as it came out.

And then just hours before the ceremony, President Trump pulled the plug on the whole thing.


And so his quote was about the canceling of the order, was that we're leading China, we're leading everybody, and that he didn't want to do anything that's going to get in the way of that lead.
I think that from the July executive order, then the December executive order, then the March executive order, we've seen sort of the signs of this.
So it's not surprising that he will at least wait until he gets it to the point that he thinks it's consistent with many of the things that he's already said.
But what was in the order that almost was and still might be And we only have reporting based on a leaked draft.
And so I just want to caution people that, you know, this is not an executive order.
So first, there was going to be a cybersecurity section, apparently, that would have directed agencies to shore up their defenses against AI-fueled cyber attacks.
And second, there was going to be a part And this is sort of what apparently concerned the president, that had a voluntary framework for AI developers to share advanced models with the government for a kind of security review prior to public release.
So it was going to be voluntary, but it was going to be a pre-launch review.

Yeah, and that's what I think is so interesting about all of the changing positions, right, in that whole voluntary aspect, because it stated that nothing was going to be construed to authorize the creation of a mandatory licensing or permitting requirement for new AI models.

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