PAD: Coaching Respect, Bears Rivalry, Caleb Hype, and Love's 'Hospital Balls'

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You, you feel this, this nervousness on the phone there?

Sir, I've been trying to make an urgent phone call up there.

I don't think it's something I wanna do on an overseas phone.

You gotta make some phone calls.

Hang up the phone.

Prank caller, prank caller.

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Um, again, this is probably, uh, the last podcast before, uh, I go bye-bye.

So, um, we'll see how she goes.

But, uh, without further ado, why don't we get started with Snacks? What's up, dude?

Danny!

What up, man?

Your boy, Snacks.

Snacks.

Wait a minute.

Whoop.

Um, I didn't really know what to talk about.

[laughs]

I suppose I could have informed you on how camp's going for the kids, and training's going here, and birthday parties for whatever, but who cares about that?

Sounds fun.

Because the football season starts in a couple of weeks.

Yeah.

[laughs] Can't touch this, bro.

Um, I'm just starting to kinda dive back in a little bit.

Listen to, uh, you know, my AM sports radio stuff.

I, I'll tell you what, I, I live in Nashville now.

I used to be in Chicago.

Obviously, I'm from Green Bay, but, um, I find myself listening to a lot of Chicago sports radio, um, just because I enjoy how just amazingly polarized they get on both sides of the spectrum.

If it's, something goes well, they think they're the greatest things ever.

If something goes awful, it's, you know, the whole roof's caving in and-

Yeah

... um-

They get pretty wild.

I don't know.

I'm just, I'm kind of excited to see how this all goes.

I, I don't really know if I think that this is a year where we, we go real, real, real far, but I, I'll tell you what, man, if we get healthy, I, I think there's a chance we could do some good things.

I just want Jordan Love to have one of those it seasons.

You know, he's, he's obviously an amazing thrower of the football.

I like him as a leader.

I like him as everything.

I wish he was a little bit more, um, vocal and not just so plain Jane when it comes to-

Glad...

I thought you were gonna say more consistent.

I was gonna hang up on you

... interviews and whatever other things that coincide with being a leader of a football team.

Like, I, I feel like a quarterback's gotta have a little bit of zest.

But if he does that same shtick and, and balls out and has what I believe he could have an MV- MVP caliber season, would be amazing.

We need the offensive line to really, really, really do their thing.

If our offensive line holds up in some shape or size and Jordan Morgan ends up being average or above, and Jordan can do that, man, I'm ready.

I am absolutely ready.

So that's it.

Sun's setting here in Tennessee, my good man.

Hope you're well.

That sounds amazing.

Heading down kinda your way.

Uh, not quite getting that far, though.

Looking forward to some, well, uh, nice weather.

I mean, good Lord, it's been so hot, and now we're going down hotter.

But, um, sounds great.

Glad you're doing good.

I'm excited for you and then hopefully a bunch of other people come streaming back 'cause football is back in action.

Um, again, excited for people to be introduced to [laughs] to the new, the new Packer Net Podcast.

Um, the heck was I gonna say? Oh, yeah, I mean, look, I, I said it yesterday, uh, for me like five minutes ago, but all I care about is, is health.

Genuinely, I couldn't give a crap about anyone...

I mean, I, I could, but you don't need to take a step.

You stay healthy, we're gonna be a great team.

And as far as Jordan's vocality, if that's a word, I, I don't-- that doesn't bother me either.

I think that there's some guys that are vocal that probably should shut their mouth, and there's other guys that, you know, maybe they should, they could speak more or something.

But it, I, I, I don't think it matters at all, honestly.

Um, I'm trying to think of, like, who are the super vocal quarterbacks.

I mean, Baker is vocal.

Um- Like I, I, does, does Herbert talk? I don't know.

I, I don't...

I've never heard Herbert talk.

Burrow, I know he was like all like Mr. Hollywood or whatever when he came out of college, but I, I barely see or hear from him at all.

Uh, Stafford doesn't...

Uh, maybe he does.

Maybe Stafford yaps a little bit.

Um, I don't know.

I just, I, yeah, I don't, I don't care.

I mean, if that's our biggest issue, we're, we're sitting pretty.

And maybe that is our biggest issue at this point, 'cause I, I don't think we got a lot of problems.

Uh, Brucey, how's it going on?

Ryan, this is Bruce.

What's up, man?

What's up, dude?

Um, every time I hear your podcast, it gets my brain going, man.

My ADHD goes all over the place.

[laughs]

You were talking about stats, and I think it all comes to this kind of a light bulb that turned on in my head in terms of stats versus the eyeball test.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm gonna equate it to, let's just say God, right? We all assume God exists, but there's this leap of faith to believe that something exists.

So how you get to that means everybody has a different way of getting to that.

There's variables involved.

So you can have concrete things to show that something exists, um, i.e. Jordan Love being a good quarterback, versus that leap of faith to believe that all of these statistics are going to prove it's not accounting all of the variables, but you're adding variables to it to make an informed decision regarding the outcome.

So if you could take all of these stats and not just be a stat person, I guess, like we mainly are, um, because you try to see it.

Same thing with Caleb, you know, like the stats are one thing, but then there's this like giant gap between, quote-unquote, "the talent" and his capability to reach whatever it is.

But the metrics and the variables related to getting to that point to being a good quarterback point in different directions.

If there's some way to quantify variables, for example, a guy runs a 4.29 40, he's fast.

But translating that to what most people say or a lot of people say in terms of raw speed versus football speed, like intelligence plays into that, right? Like can the person anticipate? So you can be really fast, but if you're not in the right spot or you're not anticipating, then your speed means nothing.

You can just be a burner.

So I mean, that's kind of, um, where my head is right now with that stuff.

So it's just kind of bridging that gap and being able to build in variables into making a decision.

Yeah, I d- I don't know, uh, how to directly answer that o- other than to kind of point back to what I was saying befo- I'll, I'll say two things.

Number one, and, and I, and I'm, I'm gonna stick on this, everything is a stat.

Everything.

Because when I'm talking about a stat, what I'm talking about is when we see something and write it down.

The only other question is the stat's reliability.

You talked about like 40 time and all that.

The problem with 40 time, like you said, it needs context.

The problem with 40 time is that it's a low reliability statistic.

It's a statistic.

It's a thing that we saw and we wrote down.

It was measured, right? It's a thing that we, we observed, measured, and wrote down, statistic.

Um, but, but the thing is, and, and this is where too you mentioned that we need to take a leap of faith with stats, we really don't because stats can be tested.

Now, it depends what it is we want to ask in terms of like what is its reliability in this direction or this direction, but you can test those things.

You can see the reliability of these things, and I've done that a few times on the podcast to, as a n- as a way to demonstrate that I'm not just pretending these are the be- it's not like these are the best stats 'cause we all voted that they're the best stats.

These have been mathematically tested, so you reverse engineer it and you go back and, and you look.

You know? Uh, we, we can see what EPA has said, and then we can apply that back into things.

Uh, and also its forward predictability is a, is another thing.

It's another thing that I've said numerous times is that a, a stat is only as good as its ability to predict the future.

Now, that's not entirely true because some things maybe are designed to tell you what happened more so than what's going to happen, but I'll still stand on it 'cause it's, it's a fair, um...

It's a good way to say it's a, it's a good stat if it can, if it can predict the future.

Um, but yeah, so, so there's, there's the two things.

Everything is a stat.

So when they talk eye test, that's bull crap.

It's, it...

There's no such thing as an eye test.

You, you view with your eyes, you measure, and then you write down what you measured.

So it's like, you know, even if people talk about, "Well, Caleb, uh, uh, has these great, um, throws or whatever.

He does all these things," you're describing a metric, but you haven't figured out how to cultivate that, which is why I don't really care about it.

You're not telling me how many times it's happened.

You're not telling me what it even means to do that.

You're not telling me the value of that.

I don't know what you're talking about really.

So people don't want to say that they're talking about a statistic, but they are.

Everything, and, and this is probably just my math brain working, but it's, but it's correct, everything is a metric.

They don't want it to be because they want to float out in space where you can just say whatever you want to say.

But at the end of the day, and, and this is the problem, you're going up against something that I know is reliable and, and has been rigorously tested, and now you're coming out with this thing that you just kind of made up out of thin air that, you know, he does th- you know, uh, what was it? Um, Colin Coward when he was talking about Caleb Williams, "He does things that nobody else can do." Okay, you're, you're describing a very loose and flimsy metric that I, I can't do anything with.

Like I- am I supposed to take that seriously? You got people critiquing EPA Do you know how, how solid of a metric EPA is and people are still out here critiquing it, but yet I'm supposed to take seriously this metric of he does things that other people can't? Okay, great.

Measure it, write it down and let's test it.

Let's run it through.

But, but they don't do because they don't even know what they're saying.

You're just saying stuff.

Okay, well, you can say whatever you want, but I, I don't, I can't do anything with it, so it doesn't mean anything to me.

So, you know, that, that's kind of, that's kind of where I'm at with this situation.

Everything is a metric, everything is a statistic, and everything you come to me, I'm gonna run it through that lens of how solid and measurable and provable is this thing that you're describing to me.

It's, it's not that it's a fake dynamic of eye test versus statistics.

It's, it's fake.

It's a fake binary.

It doesn't exist.

They're the same thing.

If, if what most people are describing is a statistic that they're, they're not, [chuckles] they're not doing, they're not writing down, they're not doing anything.

It's, it's just a horrific attempt at creating a statistic, and then they want to pretend like, well, that's equally valuable.

No, it's not.

It's not even close.

I think what you're trying to describe is people that actually know what they're looking at, who have a built-out metric, a built-out system for every throw has a specific grade to it, and then those things get measured and written down, and then they get put together, and that's what you call PFF.

That is the eye test, and it's the only eye test that really exists outside of, um, teams that will also grade their own players internally, which they don't grade all 32 teams, and they don't give us that information, so we don't have it.

So really, PFF is the only eye test that exists.

There is no other eye test, and, and, and Frank6427 on Twitter saying, "Well, I know because I applied the eye test," no, you didn't.

You just watched football.

That's not the same thing.

You're sounding stupid right now.

All right, um, I, I hope, uh, I'm, I don't know why I should be exhausted right now.

I'm going off on all these tangents.

This is, this is episode number 12 for me today.

Um, the first 10 were just AI, but still it's a lot.

Uh, why don't we take a break, and we got, uh, Bruce part two.

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Sorry, man, my wife called me and cut off the call.

Um-

That's fine

...

but if there was a way-

[laughs] I'm sorry.

I just...

Another call came in, which is, I'm excited about it.

Um, [laughs] sometimes I forget these, when, when, when people call once and then they call back in for the second time and we gave them like a ridiculous name.

Go ahead.

We have one order of sharing.

I'm going to bed.

[laughs] Okay.

Um, Nick Wonderlic Williams just called in, so we got to make sure we get to that.

Sorry.

Go ahead, Bruce.

To take these statistics that we've been looking at all off-season and we look at all season long and get collected.

If there is a way to bring in the variables, the teammates, the players, the players around them, how that affects a score, um, which we do to a certain extent, but there are just uncertainties and things that you cannot quantify that need to be baked into stats that is pretty much nearly impossible because it is a constant moving target in terms of trying to evaluate talent or evaluate a player.

But what the statistics do is just like anything else, when you're trying to, I don't know, whatever it is that you're researching, which most people don't have the capability to do.

They hear something and they repeat something and it's just basically like a parrot of hearing something without actually taking the time to deep dive and look into something, which is where you talk about your arrogance.

It's not arrogance.

It's the fact that you've taken time to research something, look at it.

Like I try to respond to tweets and things online where I am able to at least quantify with statistics something to prove my point, um, which most people don't do.

They just say things.

And if there was a way to bring in these different variables to...

Well, I, I don't know.

I hope you know what I'm trying to say, man.

It's just, it's a little bit hard to, to ground what I'm trying to say.

But ultimately you have statistics that are gonna give you the best opportunity to project what a player or what something is going to do or something that's going to happen.

But there's obviously variables, there's injuries, there's all these different things that can happen that will not allow your hypothesis to be proven because there's just so many variables.

But at least tying in all of these different statistics give you the best picture and the best opportunity to make an informed decision of what the most possible outcome is gonna be.

Anyway, man, that's what I was thinking about when you were talking about the beginning of your podcast.

Take care, man.

Yeah, I mean, it, it kind of brings me back to what I was saying as far as, you know, the, the claim is not that, we'll use EPA because that's kind of the biggest one that's in everybody's mind.

It's not that EPA gives you 100% clarity or understanding, you know, uh, backward and especially forward, like you said, with injuries or whatever.

You can't 100% predict the future or whatever.

Um- But whatever clarity it gives you, maybe it's 40% clarity, I think it's probably more than that on the quarterback, but let's say it's 40%.

That is so much more clarity than anything else is going to give you, and, and people trying to...

I mean, it's kind of like saying, you know, we, we can...

You know, we've gone to the moon.

Obviously there's a goal for Elon to get to Mars, seemingly in his lifetime he'd like to get there.

Um, he seems to think that that, you know, I don't know, 10 years or something.

Um, but it, it would be similar to trying to discredit, you know, stats or whatever because of the variables.

It would be kind of like do you understand how vast the universe is and you can only go to the moon, you can only go to Mars? Do you understand that that is not a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the size of the entire...

So what? So what does that have to do with anything? You know what I mean? So look, I, I, I think it makes sense to try to understand what's happening and to try to be as correct as you can possibly be, and we have flawed tools that can get us there, but I would rather use what we have to get as much clarity as possible.

This goes back to the NFL draft equation.

There's way too many variables, which is why half of these guys end up sucking while a fifth, sixth round, seventh round guy can be good, and a number four overall pick can be a bust.

That shouldn't happen with the amount of work that gets put in, but it's because you don't have perfect clarity, but that doesn't mean that everything that these guys do, all the scouting, all the handshaking, all the background checks and all that is useless.

That's a silly way to look at it.

Of course it's not useless.

The point is we can only have so much clarity on an issue, and we should try to get as much of that as we possibly can.

Whatever information we're able to get, we should strive to get it.

And yes, I understand it's not 100%.

That, that's irrelevant, you know? Um, but it is what it is.

Yeah, there's, there's a bunch of other stuff that's going to factor in, but, uh, I think some of that is probably also a little overstated because despite that we can kind of follow these things around.

You know, the idea that, oh, Joe Burrow, yeah, everybody thinks he's good because he's got these receivers.

It's not the receivers.

It's not.

If he went to a different team, I bet you'd have the same kind of guy because you know what? The stats have gotten good enough to be able to, to kind of see through a lot of that mess, and that's why when guys leave and go somewhere else, a lot of times they're the same guy, you know? Um, not always, but, you know, Devante, when he left and went to a much worse situation, he's still Devante.

He's still the same freaking guy.

And a lot of times when they don't, like, well, what about Jordy? Jordy was cooked, man.

It w- he was...

It was done.

It was over for him.

It was the end of his career.

So that's a completely different situation.

But, um, yeah, I, I think, uh, you know, as, as imperfect as they are, all we can do is strive to get the best clear, correct understanding, and that should be our goal no matter what.

Hey, Ryan, this is Garrett from, uh, Lake Tahoe.

Uh, I'm on vacation.

Oh, all right.

It is 70 degrees and it is beautiful.

Threw me off.

Um, but boy, there sure are a lot of foreigners here.

Oh, geez.

[laughs]

Uh, I think I've picked up, uh, the ability to speak German-

Okay

...

French, and, uh, Spanish-

Is it the soccer thing or what?

...

while I've been here.

So anyways, been great having some time off, and, uh, sorry I haven't been calling in, but, uh, it's been kind of hard when you're kayaking-

Foreigners, kayaking

... rafting and bicycling through the mountains.

So anyways, hope to get back to southern Illinois soon and, uh, give you some updates on, uh, hopefully what will be the start of training camp.

So we'll talk to you then.

Heck yeah, man.

I'm, uh, super fired up.

We got...

You know, again, I'm gonna be also doing a little vacation thing and coming back, and shortly thereafter I'm, I'm...

Assuming when I come back there's gonna be some news.

I'm hopeful that it's a Tucker Kraft contract and all that.

So we'll kind of go through the backlog, and by the time we do that, hopefully we've got, uh, we got training camp kip- kicking off.

So we'll see.

We'll see if it ends up being that, uh, nicely organized for us.

Usually, Ryan, I call in with ideas for, uh, you to implement, but, uh, after listening to Bruce give you a recipe for salsa-

[laughs]

... um, and even you and I both having a little bit of difficulty following him with his, uh, his recipe using that accent, uh-

[laughs]

...

it gave me an idea that Bruce, uh, should do a podcast completely in the voice of Batman and call it Batman's Barbecue.

[laughs]

Um, because, uh, cooking with Batman, it doesn't get any better than that.

So, uh, every once in a while...

If, if he- Bruce, if you're gonna call in and give a recipe, do it in Batman's voice next time.

[laughs] It would be hilarious.

It would hurt your throat pretty bad though, but that would be kind of funny.

Just, just an entire podcast of that voice.

Like, [laughs] what the heck is this?

Ryan, I've been known to say some mean, hurtful, accurate things from time to time.

Uh, this is one of those times.

Uh, I got a new word for you to add to your dictionary.

All right.

Subtarded.

Um, it is a definition of someone or a thing or endeavor that is even below s- the standards of what you would consider retarded.

Okay.

And Bears fans, you are subtarded.

I cannot even begin to relate to you.

I think, uh, I think, uh...

I, I wonder if it...

So two thoughts on this.

I, I just- Super random thought I had like yesterday that just popped into my head because of this.

I think because it's a fake word, it hasn't been canceled yet, so I think I can allow it, you know? Um, I think that's fair.

Also, how did swear words become a thing? You know what I mean? I'm, I'm just, I'm just cur- like, 'cause it's ju- they're just words, you know? Like, I'm just trying to think of, like, the first time, which I'm sure it was a long time ago, but it's like, "Hey, I got this new word I just made up." Like, "Oh yeah? What is it?" It's like, "Well, I can't say it." "What are you talking about?" "Can't say it 'cause it's a, it's a, it's like a forbidden word." Like, [laughs] "What?" "Yeah, it's like a, it's like really bad." "Why is it bad? Like, I don't, I don't understand what you're talking about." It's like, "Yeah, it's, it's this, but don't ever say it 'cause it's, it's like a swear." Like, [laughs] I th- do you just, like, come into it and be like, "I made up this four-letter word and I've decided that it's horrible"? I don't know.

Just, it's just odd to me how that, uh...

I mean, I know that's not how it actually came to be, but I thought that was a funnier interpretation.

You, Ryan, the experience of stupid, stupid remarks and posters and hype that I witnessed when I flew into, uh, Midway Airport-

Mm-hmm

... on Saturday, um, coming back from Tahoe.

Uh, we had a layover for two hours, so we had to tolerate for two hours things, uh, being broadcast at the bar, listening to news and sports and just posters and everything hyping up the Bears.

Uh, it is just beyond me.

I wanted to puke.

I kind of wish I had had the puke bag from, uh, the previous flight to use, but, uh, dude, it i- it is revolting, uh, just what is going on in Chicago.

So, uh, pride before the fall, I would say, yep, they're about to experience that because everything that they, uh, experienced last year in that season was a lot of, uh, what I w- things that guys have called in and said it's not replicable.

Yes.

The turnovers, interceptions, that ain't happening this year.

Right.

The, uh, catching teams off guard and coming from behind, that is not happening this year.

That's just not gonna happen.

So they're not gonna catch teams by surprise this year, and they definitely have a harder schedule.

So yeah, uh, I'm already over it, and we haven't even hit training camp yet, and I'm already over the putrid attitudes that Bears fans have.

The arrogance is absolutely just stomach-turning.

Yeah, like, like we were talking about, man, I think, uh, I think we're playing this the wrong way.

I think we need to, I think we need to help.

We need to help them.

You know, we need to continue pushing this thing in the direction of, of he is deserving of [laughs] the, uh, the cover of Madden, the prestigious cover of Ma- There's never been a lesser player to be on the cover of Madden, and, uh, the, the actual cover, by the way, speaks for itself.

It i- it is the most boring, just blue.

Like, [laughs] it's a dude, like, trying to do the splits in a blue background.

It's the dumbest looking thing.

Um, but no, we sh- we should just step back and let them do this, and let the national media continue to tell them that they've got a Hall of Famer, that they've got all this stuff.

Just do it.

I, you know...

Again, the, the more, the higher you set the expectations, the less likely you are to have an enjoyable season, so let them just have the most ridiculous expectations.

All right, we'll take a break.

We only have two calls when we come back, so, uh, that'll be that, but we got Uncle Rico on the other side.

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Yo, Ryan, it's your Uncle Rico.

Hello.

If my phone goes dead, it's because I'm calling you with 1% and no charger, you know?

Okay.

[laughs]

Uh, you just...

I'm, I'm run way behind here.

You just started talking about the sale of the Seahawks and how people, um, you want all the teams to suck and, and, um, and, uh, all the other, you know, all 31 o- other NFL teams to suck, and other people want, "I want them to be good 'cause I want good competition."

Mm-hmm.

And I, I gotta say that, um, it has added a little bit.

I mean, obviously it gives us something to talk about every day.

Uh, you know, if the Bears had won three games last year, what would we talk about? You know what I mean? How they're gonna win four this year? That kind of thing.

Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm saying? So it is a little bit, it is a little bit more, adds a little bit more to our, uh, fandom, I w- would say it.

And not, not in a fun way.

Not for me anyway.

I, I guess maybe some people enjoy it.

I don't enjoy it.

I don't enjoy Bears fans spitting on us and, and talking trash and listening to Clay Matthews talk about how, you know, he's ashamed because he went up, uh, during the draft and said the Bears still suck, and then we've gone on to lose to the Bears, and people are giving Clay Matthews crap about, "Oh, what happened?" And he just has to bury his head because he's ashamed.

I don't find that to be enjoyable.

I, I just, I d- you know, the whole rivalry thing.

F the rivalry.

The rivalry is we dominate the division.

That's the rivalry.

I, I guess that's my, my posi- I, I'm the guy that played, uh, video games with cheat codes, so I guess, you know, that's me.

I'm, I'm different that way.

But yeah, I don't, I don't enjoy being mocked by these freaking losers.

Um- It's not, it's not fun for me so much

if some of our rivals are, uh, somewhat successful.

I mean, if the, the Bears and the Lions and the Vikings were totally garbage, it would be kinda eh, you know? Oh.

I love it

You know what I'm, you know, you know what I'm saying? But there are-

I mean, d- hold on.

J- just to be clear, because I, I do get what you're saying to some degree.

Um, it, it would be, you know, in hindsight, and this is the problem, it's all hindsight, it's all, you know, now sitting here today it's better, whatever.

I'm talking more so about from here moving forward.

Um, so on that point, if, if, if you told me the Lions, the Vikings, and the Bears were good football teams, um, moving forward the odds of us having a successful season are very low, and I don't- I'm not a big fan of that.

Um, but just, just to be clear, you are more of a fan of when the Lions were dominant and mocked us and everything else, that was better than when they were wearing bags on their heads? 'Cause that's...

I kinda like the bags on the heads thing.

That was, that was a little bit more enjoyable for me.

See where I'm coming from? So I do wish them, uh, to have a little bit of a something going on.

I don't want them just to be the world- the three worst teams in the NFL and they're in our division.

Hey, Patriots won like 19 Super Bowls by having three of the worst teams in the d- in the fricking NFL in their division.

I, I don't see them fricking cry- I don't think they were crying in their fricking bowls of cereal winning all the Super Bowls every year with the worst teams in the division, you know, beating the crap out of them all the time.

I want them to...

I, I mean, actually, I want us to be super good and, and them to be...

I don't know.

I mean, I, I, I kind of wish they're all good and we could still beat them somehow.

You know what I mean? But-

Well, yeah, I mean, if you could perfectly manufacture this thing, uh, where they were, I don't know, kinda good but we dominated them, that would be kinda cool I guess.

You know, maybe I would pick that.

Uh, I don't, I don't love the idea of them being like really good football teams and having success in the playoffs and all that and still having that level of pride and arrogance.

But a- as long as we win, I guess it's cool.

Um, but the problem is y- you know, you can't really hyper-manufacture any of this stuff.

So if you had to choose just on or off, do you want them to be good or bad, well, if they're good, then you have losses and embarrassment and, and mocking and less chances for playoffs and less chances for Super Bowls.

For example, we went to the playoffs and got knocked out by the Bears, and that's not, that's not, uh, that wasn't fun for me.

I had much more fun when we didn't ever lose to the Bears.

I, I just, I can't imagine that Packer fans enjoy this more than we enjoyed that.

Anyways, uh, it just makes us look good.

It kinda doesn't do much for us if we beat shitty teams all the time.

No, it does a lot for me.

And yeah.

It's good for my soul.

Anyways, Rico out.

Pack rocks.

Ryan rocks.

Thank you.

[laughs]

Rico rocks.

Hell yeah.

All right then, Rico out.

Yeah, no, I just, I'm, I, I don't, uh, I don't care.

[laughs] I will take the, uh...

I, I mean, and, and that was even, you know, occasionally you'd hear that from them like, "Oh wow, you beat up on...

Oh, we, we didn't beat anybody and you're brag-" Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm bragging about it, and I'm laughing about it, and I'm gonna laugh in your stupid face 'cause I, I love it.

I love your misery, I love your tears, I love that you're pathetic and stupid and you suck.

Um, and we don't.

I enjoy that.

I, uh, I take solace in that.

I don't like the thought of us, you know, not winning the division, which has been a, a difficulty for us recently.

I'm not enjoying it as much.

I'm, I'm optimistic that we'll be able to do it but, um, again, if you tell me that the Bears take a big step and the Vikings actually are pretty surprisingly good and the Lions are healthy and are back to what they were, my optimism for us being a top team goes down significantly.

Uh, Nick Wonderlic Williams, what's going on?

Yeah, this is Mr. Wonderlic here.

Hello.

Got a fun off-season project for you.

I was listening to your podcast about, uh, these people that say they don't pass the eye test.

You should take, um, highlight reels from like Purdy and then maybe Kaepernick and turn everybody into a silhouette so there's no way to identify who they are-

Yep

... and ask them to pass the eye test which quarterback they'd prefer.

Yeah.

Or maybe Peyton Manning versus Brock Osweiler or something like that.

'Cause I guarantee you the ... up to what their expectations are.

Thanks.

Bye.

Yeah, and that's, you know, you could have a lot of fun with that kind of stuff.

There, there is actually a, a Twitter account, somebody that does that.

He turns it into like a blurry thing and it's like guess the quarterback kind of deal.

The problem is people are pretty good at identifying who they are, so m- people would notice like, "Oh, that's definitely Purdy," and, "That looks like Kaepernick," and they'd, they'd be able to tell.

Um, Osweiler probably not.

I don't think anybody's gonna get that.

Maybe, maybe a Broncos fan or something would remember Brock Osweiler.

Um, but Peyton Manning for sure, especially if it's like older Peyton Manning.

That was like the most old man geriatric looking weird I'm, I'm gonna put, uh, uh, all of my power into this throw to get it to go 15 yards.

Uh, no, but I mean a- again, you could have a lot of fun with that just in terms of, you know, they always talk about how, "Oh, look at this throw.

Look at this throw, you know, from Justin Fields." Like who can do something like that? Go find any random loser that makes a throw like that and be like, "Okay, now what? Now what do we do? Because this guy did it, do you think he's good or what?" And ev- even to your, "Well, no, you'd, you'd have to watch like the full season.

You're just taking like snippets.

That's not..." Okay, did you watch the full season? Did you do that? Did you go through and you watched every single pass and you, you, you got all that stuff down? You, you, what, you memorized it or you wrote it down or what did you do? [sighs] It's, it's just, it's such, it's such...

Again, it, it, it's difficult to argue concisely, for me anyways.

I'm, I'm too, uh, verbose with, with stuff.

That's why I have a podcast, I guess.

Give me an hour to, to get this off my chest.

But it's just on its face it's stupid.

The eye test thing is dumb.

It's just, it's absolutely stupid.

And, um, it's, uh, I'm, I'm going to make it my mission to shame people that, that pull out the eye test thing, and that, what you described would be a good way to do that.

And, and the, again, the other thing is just the, the disagreements.

If you were to put two of these together and, and the comments section would be split 50/50.

Why? Because the eye test is stupid.

It doesn't mean anything.

Nobody knows, nobody agrees, nobody understands, nobody has a solid metric.

N- nobody...

Everybody's just going off a base of what they feel.

If, if you just had, like, Bears fans grading Caleb and Jordan and then Packers fans grading Caleb and Jordan, and you look at the grades, everybody would have different grades.

Most of the Packer fans would have a higher grade for Jordan than Caleb.

Most of the Bears fans would have a higher grade for Caleb than Jordan.

So what are we doing? What is the point of this? Who cares? And, and by the way, even if we did that, it would be significantly better than what people describe when they say eye test 'cause nobody actually writes things down.

But it's just, it's just a... [sighs] It's so stupid.

It's a complete waste of time.

But that's a good point.

That, that is one, one possible way to completely diminish this whole eye test thing, but it's, again, it's not even necessary 'cause it's just so stupid on its face.

It's just one of those things where it's like if you can't see why this doesn't make sense, I don't, I don't think explaining it to you is gonna do anything.

[laughs] If you...

I don't see the point in trying to explain it if you can't just see it as it is, as being a problem.

But anywho, uh, that's it.

We're all caught up on calls.

I'm gonna get out of here.

My 12th podcast of the day.

I got you guys set up for the week, assuming I did everything right.

If you get two in a day and zero in one day, I apologize.

I tried to get them all on the right days.

But you should be set up all the way through Sunday for, uh, Tundra, bunch of brand-new songs you haven't heard before.

I've been slowly trickling those out.

I got those all, all the backlog songs now out, so all the, all the new songs are...

Although I kinda wanna do some tonight.

I had a few ideas.

Uh, but anyways, oh, I gotta do the, the, uh, Patreon thing.

Patreon.com/pack_daddy.

If you like the songs, the Packer songs, and you wish that you had the ability to just have your own radio station where you can play whatever Packer song you want whenever you want, uh, that is now available.

For my patrons, the ones that actually do, uh, donate something, whether it's a dollar or $10 or whatever, you're gonna have access to this.

Uh, usually the free tier gets whatever.

This is not gonna be one of those things.

So if you want access to these fricking bangers, I put it together 'cause I'm going on vacation and I wanna be able to play these on the, on the radio and whatnot in my car, blast them for my kids and annoy my wife.

Um, I could j- I, I, I left out all, like, the rap songs.

I left out all the super heavy metal songs.

I can guarantee, like, 70% of these songs she's gonna be like, "I don't like this song.

Next song.

I don't...

Don't play that song." I don't care.

They're good songs.

We're gonna listen to it the whole way down.

It's like a seven-hour drive.

Um, but yeah, so that's, that's gonna be a thing.

So, uh, pretty straightforward.

It's nothing complex.

It's just a tiny little player with a forward, back, shuffle, select.

Again, there, like I said yesterday, I don't have anything for saving, like favoriting or anything.

I don't have anything sorted by, uh, genre or wonder- whatever yet, but that's, uh, that'll be coming, depending on if you guys actually like it.

If nobody goes, nobody cares, then, then screw it.

It's just for me.

But all right.

I'm outta here.

Have a good one.

Bye-bye.

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