Jun 19, 2026 · 1 hr 19 min · 11 segments
We talk to Dr. Elizabeth Avetisian, a transpersonal scholar, about her fascinating research on coffee cup reading (tasseography) in the Armenian tradition, the Jungian collective unconscious…
Elizabeth AvetisyanGuest
Tamar ShirinianHost
Milena AbrahamianHost
seer is is part of the instrument the seer is the mediator that looks at these signs and makes sense of them it looks at these patterns make sense of them completes them turns them into signs right at that moment the signs are still static they are simply signs but the seer then uses their imagination or active imagination to use union term And communes with these signs via semiotic communication and turns these signs into symbols, right? The symbol is larger than a sign.

So this is now the, it is believed that the, you know, now the seeker is very much involved in the production of the cup.

The seeker is the person who is drinking the coffee, consuming, right? And it's believed that the coffee is, coffee, tosiography involves five natural elements, the water, the fire, the air, the metal, right? The earth, it comes from the earth.

So all these essential elements come into making this coffee and it's poured in an ordinary cup.

But once it's poured in the ordinary cup and it touches the seeker's lips, right, the mouth, and it goes, my mouth is a sacred, is an organ.

So once the seeker drinks that coffee with that cup, that cup is no longer an ordinary cup it becomes a ritual instrument in the ritual and acquires its potency so
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seer is is part of the instrument the seer is the mediator that looks at these signs and makes sense of them it looks at these patterns make sense of them completes them turns them into signs right at that moment the signs are still static they are simply signs but the seer then uses their imagination or active imagination to use union term And communes with these signs via semiotic communication and turns these signs into symbols, right? The symbol is larger than a sign.

So this is now the, it is believed that the, you know, now the seeker is very much involved in the production of the cup.

The seeker is the person who is drinking the coffee, consuming, right? And it's believed that the coffee is, coffee, tosiography involves five natural elements, the water, the fire, the air, the metal, right? The earth, it comes from the earth.

So all these essential elements come into making this coffee and it's poured in an ordinary cup.

But once it's poured in the ordinary cup and it touches the seeker's lips, right, the mouth, and it goes, my mouth is a sacred, is an organ.

So once the seeker drinks that coffee with that cup, that cup is no longer an ordinary cup it becomes a ritual instrument in the ritual and acquires its potency so