Michael MarcantoniGuestMichael ChristianHostJohnHostAnd I think the thing that I keep coming back to from this conversation is that addiction gives us this really obvious version of a problem that is actually much more universal because it's very easy to look at alcoholism or drug addiction and recognize the bondage.
But it's much harder when the thing you're reaching for is socially acceptable or even productive or something that's ordinarily considered
good.
Right.
And especially when it's something that you can attempt to justify.
Right.
Your work, your exercise, food, your health, and having goals, those are all good.
But I think the question that Father Michael kept forcing us back to is, what job are you actually asking that thing to do? Because there's a big difference between using something and needing that thing to make you
okay.
Right.
Or needing it so consistently that you don't really know how to be without it anymore.
And that's where I think his connection with sobriety and watchfulness becomes even more important.
Because sobriety in the Christian sense can't simply mean removing one substance while leaving the entire architecture underneath it untouched.
You can stop drinking and still spend your entire life escaping yourself or move all that anxiety into your work or exercise or your food or arguments on the internet, right? We've been talking about the ortho bros.
any number of hobbies.
Right.
Your many, many completely normal hobbies.
Thank you very much.
I am a hobby collector and my wife will tell anybody who asks.
And I think the thing that I keep coming back to from this conversation is that addiction gives us this really obvious version of a problem that is actually much more universal because it's very easy to look at alcoholism or drug addiction and recognize the bondage.
But it's much harder when the thing you're reaching for is socially acceptable or even productive or something that's ordinarily considered
good.
Right.
And especially when it's something that you can attempt to justify.
Right.
Your work, your exercise, food, your health, and having goals, those are all good.
But I think the question that Father Michael kept forcing us back to is, what job are you actually asking that thing to do? Because there's a big difference between using something and needing that thing to make you
okay.
Right.
Or needing it so consistently that you don't really know how to be without it anymore.
And that's where I think his connection with sobriety and watchfulness becomes even more important.
Because sobriety in the Christian sense can't simply mean removing one substance while leaving the entire architecture underneath it untouched.
You can stop drinking and still spend your entire life escaping yourself or move all that anxiety into your work or exercise or your food or arguments on the internet, right? We've been talking about the ortho bros.
any number of hobbies.
Right.
Your many, many completely normal hobbies.
Thank you very much.
I am a hobby collector and my wife will tell anybody who asks.
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