The Rooftop Conversations Episode

I mean, we know...

I guess we can call them out by name now because everyone has been cooking them for a little bit now.

Framed is a victim of that right now.

Framed is a company right now that has been backlash-heavy because of them faulting on payouts.

Ruben, for something like this, man, when it comes to seeing a collective still purposely do shows and tell their artists, like, hey, you're still going to get paid out, but have all this debt racking up, how do you see that as a company, as a promoter? Um, how do you handle that? Like all that stuff?

It's just like, it's like, it's unfair to the artists.

It's a, I mean, I would say it's

a little shady.

Um,

It's okay, too, if you don't want to pay artists, but let them know up front.

Some artists will do it for free.

Some artists just want to get out there.

They want to play in the underground.

They want to be sweaty in a club, and they don't care if they get paid.

Just be honest.

Be

transparent.

The communication has to be there.

If you're promising someone something, cool.

If you can't come up with the funds, hey, guys, this is what it

is.

I will pay you in XYZ days.

If you're just ghosting people, that's kind of crazy.

And I know that's a lot.

It's a lot more often than people realize and people don't want to speak up about it.