Aug 14, 2026 · 52 min · 12 segments
In this episode of Making Money from Music, Innocent and Daniel explore the connection between self-development, mindset, and making money as a musician. They dig into meditation, discipline…
Daniel JacobsonGuest
Innocent ChapisaHost
So yeah, that is a really good question, what is self-development? You know, it reminds me of a drummer that I used to play with, really, really good drummer, Sean Carpio.
We were in a band together, and I remember him saying to me, we must've been, like, 20 years old and, you know, we were all about practicing, practicing, getting better and better and better, and he got really, really good at the drums.
And I remember him saying to me one time, he goes, "At a point, you know, it's more about working on yourself-
Like, I wa- I was like, "Wow, interesting." You know, how well you know yourself, you know, is the extent to which you're able to make certain decisions, not just to play something that sounds like someone else or what you think someone else might like or, you know, your idea of what is good at any time.
You know, if you're really very confident in yourself, and that is a result of self-development, becoming confident, trusting yourself that you know what you're doing, and then you can play music in a way that's gonna be recognizably better for, a better experience for the people that you're playing with.
It's very pleasant to play music with someone like that, where it's, like, supportive and ideas are coming, but, you know, it's unique and authentic, all the things we talked about last week as well.
So that really stuck with me and then the question is, like, how? How do you work on yourself? How do you develop yourself? There's, there's many ways really, you know, be reading books and thinking and reflecting and all those things.
For me, meditation was a very important part of my personal development journey.
You know, from when I was 22, I started doing serious meditation courses, 10-day silent retreats, didn't talk for nine days.
It was very intense, so I started doing that when I was 22, and did it for 20 years at least once a year, if not more sometimes.
So yeah, that is a really good question, what is self-development? You know, it reminds me of a drummer that I used to play with, really, really good drummer, Sean Carpio.
We were in a band together, and I remember him saying to me, we must've been, like, 20 years old and, you know, we were all about practicing, practicing, getting better and better and better, and he got really, really good at the drums.
And I remember him saying to me one time, he goes, "At a point, you know, it's more about working on yourself-
Like, I wa- I was like, "Wow, interesting." You know, how well you know yourself, you know, is the extent to which you're able to make certain decisions, not just to play something that sounds like someone else or what you think someone else might like or, you know, your idea of what is good at any time.
You know, if you're really very confident in yourself, and that is a result of self-development, becoming confident, trusting yourself that you know what you're doing, and then you can play music in a way that's gonna be recognizably better for, a better experience for the people that you're playing with.
It's very pleasant to play music with someone like that, where it's, like, supportive and ideas are coming, but, you know, it's unique and authentic, all the things we talked about last week as well.
So that really stuck with me and then the question is, like, how? How do you work on yourself? How do you develop yourself? There's, there's many ways really, you know, be reading books and thinking and reflecting and all those things.
For me, meditation was a very important part of my personal development journey.
You know, from when I was 22, I started doing serious meditation courses, 10-day silent retreats, didn't talk for nine days.
It was very intense, so I started doing that when I was 22, and did it for 20 years at least once a year, if not more sometimes.
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