Sep 9, 2026 · 41 min · 10 segments
**What really makes people trust you at work, and why do some capable people progress while others get stuck?** In this episode of *Mad Influence*, Helen Saul is joined by Betsy Gardner, CEO…
Betsy GardnerGuest
Helen SaulHost
I lived in London, uh, from 2009 to 2014, and while I was there, I worked for a, a Mayfair consulting firm that was designed to help primarily women get ready for global roles, C-suite, and executive roles.

Oftentimes, these were women who were maybe first-generation Oxbridge graduates who had performed well.



However, at that time, there was a proliferation of all-male boards, one of which my favorite is the story of the business called Mothercare.

Prior to Mothercare's going out of business, I thought one of the most stunning features of Mothercare's business history was that it had an all-male board for a company that sold products literally to mothers to help them raise their children.

Now, of course, there were men making some purchasing decisions in that environment, but primarily, those purchasing decisions were made by women, and they had absolutely none of that reflected on their board.

So that's an example of the type of, of soft skills gap that, that's missing, and we actually can put a price tag on it.

Right now, last year it was measured that soft skills failures in the US accounted for a $1.3 trillion productivity deficit.

So these are not HR fluffy things that we should be focused on like teddy bears and kittens.

This is actual hard business results-driven stuff that if we don't do well, we can't actually tap in to the full potential of the talent capability that's available.

And as we're all trying to win talent wars, we need to do a better job of making sure that the people who have got the hard skill talent actually have the key to unlock the soft skill capability that presents a full talent package, and that's...

Everything that's hard skill-driven looks like is heading toward AI being able to handle those tasks and handle them efficiently and cheaply.

We really have to have people with the business history, sophistication, strategy, the ability to connect dots and really understand what's behind the numbers.

Those are the skills that AI cannot perform, and those are the skills that will endure in the time of disruption that we're in.

I lived in London, uh, from 2009 to 2014, and while I was there, I worked for a, a Mayfair consulting firm that was designed to help primarily women get ready for global roles, C-suite, and executive roles.

Oftentimes, these were women who were maybe first-generation Oxbridge graduates who had performed well.



However, at that time, there was a proliferation of all-male boards, one of which my favorite is the story of the business called Mothercare.

Prior to Mothercare's going out of business, I thought one of the most stunning features of Mothercare's business history was that it had an all-male board for a company that sold products literally to mothers to help them raise their children.

Now, of course, there were men making some purchasing decisions in that environment, but primarily, those purchasing decisions were made by women, and they had absolutely none of that reflected on their board.

So that's an example of the type of, of soft skills gap that, that's missing, and we actually can put a price tag on it.

Right now, last year it was measured that soft skills failures in the US accounted for a $1.3 trillion productivity deficit.

So these are not HR fluffy things that we should be focused on like teddy bears and kittens.

This is actual hard business results-driven stuff that if we don't do well, we can't actually tap in to the full potential of the talent capability that's available.

And as we're all trying to win talent wars, we need to do a better job of making sure that the people who have got the hard skill talent actually have the key to unlock the soft skill capability that presents a full talent package, and that's...

Everything that's hard skill-driven looks like is heading toward AI being able to handle those tasks and handle them efficiently and cheaply.

We really have to have people with the business history, sophistication, strategy, the ability to connect dots and really understand what's behind the numbers.

Those are the skills that AI cannot perform, and those are the skills that will endure in the time of disruption that we're in.
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