Sep 27, 2026 · 45 min · 12 segments
Lawrie Philpott of Philpott Black and host of Leadership Listening talks with economist and infrastructure specialist David Parish about the HS2 project and the leadership failures behind it. David…
David ParishGuest
Lawrie PhilpottHost
I think there are big attractions in vanity projects, in particular in big projects.

It's never attractive to say, oh, I was the politician who managed to straighten the bends on 112 roads and maybe that slightly reduced road accidents and improved speeds a little bit.

It's much more attractive to be associated with something really big and shiny.

And also, I suppose, you know, with everything being driven from Whitehall, you could also sort of point one's interest in the direction of Birmingham or Manchester and, you know, the sort of orientation of... folk who are mayors in those northern parts and, you know, their kind of inclination as to whether HS2 should go ahead.

I mean, the thing about national projects, if you're a mayor, is all this is other people's money.

So if you're the mayor of London or Birmingham or Manchester, and someone says, I'm going to build a high-speed railway, and it's between your towns, you're going to say yes.

But I'm convinced in the case of the mayors of London, Manchester, and Birmingham, if you'd given them the option which says, this is something we could look at.

And I mean, you can see it now that when you hear what the Mayor of London is saying about HS2, he's not actually terribly enthusiastic about it ending up in Old Oak Common and discharging all these passengers onto his railway, the Elizabeth line and all the links around there.

So by offering to pay for the thing as central government, you're never going to get an honest local perspective.

But if we could have got an honest local perspective at the start, I bet they would have said, well, it's interesting, but actually we've got higher priorities.

We'd rather do improvements in the rail lines around Manchester to connect the towns around Manchester into Manchester better.

I think there are big attractions in vanity projects, in particular in big projects.

It's never attractive to say, oh, I was the politician who managed to straighten the bends on 112 roads and maybe that slightly reduced road accidents and improved speeds a little bit.

It's much more attractive to be associated with something really big and shiny.

And also, I suppose, you know, with everything being driven from Whitehall, you could also sort of point one's interest in the direction of Birmingham or Manchester and, you know, the sort of orientation of... folk who are mayors in those northern parts and, you know, their kind of inclination as to whether HS2 should go ahead.

I mean, the thing about national projects, if you're a mayor, is all this is other people's money.

So if you're the mayor of London or Birmingham or Manchester, and someone says, I'm going to build a high-speed railway, and it's between your towns, you're going to say yes.

But I'm convinced in the case of the mayors of London, Manchester, and Birmingham, if you'd given them the option which says, this is something we could look at.

And I mean, you can see it now that when you hear what the Mayor of London is saying about HS2, he's not actually terribly enthusiastic about it ending up in Old Oak Common and discharging all these passengers onto his railway, the Elizabeth line and all the links around there.

So by offering to pay for the thing as central government, you're never going to get an honest local perspective.

But if we could have got an honest local perspective at the start, I bet they would have said, well, it's interesting, but actually we've got higher priorities.

We'd rather do improvements in the rail lines around Manchester to connect the towns around Manchester into Manchester better.
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