Right.

It was politically driven, and I think it was very much something that was passed to the civil service, the permanent secretary and his team, to say, we want this done.

We want this to be our strategy.

Now, a project's not a strategy, to my mind, that possibly the civil servants couldn't resist.

couldn't push back properly against it because you see some very strange things being done, which I don't really think the civil service ought to have been encouraged about.

The setting up of HS2 Limited within the department for transport.

This is a very curious decision.

um and and sometimes you can see it and sometimes you can't is there anything we can say about what was in the mind of the politicians at the time um teresa villiers um andrew adonis and so on i think andrew adonis was certainly a very to my mind enthusiastic person for this but What was behind the enthusiasm of those kind of politicians? Was it, you know, we'll have this wonderful monument to, you know, large project delivery? Was it we're going to sort of make it easier for connectivity between North and South and vice versa? Or what do you think?