Sep 24, 2026 · 58 min · 16 segments
This week on the Labor & Energy Show w/JDoc & Krausey, Jodie Muller, President and CEO of the Western States Petroleum Association (WSPA), joins the show for a conversation about California’s energy…
Jodie MullerGuestKrauseHostAnd so it's interesting because from the labor and energy show five years ago has come the labor and energy alliance.
And A lot of the insanity of policies, I mean, spreading across the country, right? And so we decided at one point that we were not just going to, sure, we want to educate the public about what's going on.
OK, common sense and energy.
So many people don't really know.
And I will say that even from an environmental standpoint, our energy leaders and our labor leaders are as pro-environment as anybody I've ever met.
okay and so um you know we we align ourselves together labor and energy um as a legisl as a legislative network and a legislative action network to to impact these issues that are taking down our refineries our industry our workforce okay uh and so so many people might be watching here okay and it also allows us to address issues from both sides of the aisle.
And by the way, a lot of our policymakers aren't used to it.
And so we've had some great success and I'm pretty proud of it.
But here we go again.
We had Erica Perryman on last week talking about the CRAs, okay, coming from California.
and i just want to point out one amazing this is one of the most interesting points so california has its own oil resources and some major refineries okay and i'll i'll ask you this direct question how did a state with those advantages become increasingly dependent on oil and fuel coming from outside the state now that is a great example of Something's missing.
I mean, it's just it's you're talking about some some
major situations.
So your
about jobs and of course, our industry, you know, it's gotten to the point where any and in Pennsylvania, we have a lot of resources also, you know, that a lot of people want to shut us down.
you know, it's a backwards situation.
So for somebody who's listening in PA or across the country who doesn't follow energy policy, give us the big picture.
What has happened to California's oil, natural gas refining over the last decade or two that has gotten us to where we are?
Yeah, it's, you know, largely self-induced and, you know, No one wants to point fingers, but when you look back, I started in this industry over 25 years ago.
And at that point in time in California, we were producing 75% of the crude it needed.
And we had the refining capacity to supply not only the state of California, but our neighbors in Arizona and Nevada.
And so it's interesting because from the labor and energy show five years ago has come the labor and energy alliance.
And A lot of the insanity of policies, I mean, spreading across the country, right? And so we decided at one point that we were not just going to, sure, we want to educate the public about what's going on.
OK, common sense and energy.
So many people don't really know.
And I will say that even from an environmental standpoint, our energy leaders and our labor leaders are as pro-environment as anybody I've ever met.
okay and so um you know we we align ourselves together labor and energy um as a legisl as a legislative network and a legislative action network to to impact these issues that are taking down our refineries our industry our workforce okay uh and so so many people might be watching here okay and it also allows us to address issues from both sides of the aisle.
And by the way, a lot of our policymakers aren't used to it.
And so we've had some great success and I'm pretty proud of it.
But here we go again.
We had Erica Perryman on last week talking about the CRAs, okay, coming from California.
and i just want to point out one amazing this is one of the most interesting points so california has its own oil resources and some major refineries okay and i'll i'll ask you this direct question how did a state with those advantages become increasingly dependent on oil and fuel coming from outside the state now that is a great example of Something's missing.
I mean, it's just it's you're talking about some some
major situations.
So your
about jobs and of course, our industry, you know, it's gotten to the point where any and in Pennsylvania, we have a lot of resources also, you know, that a lot of people want to shut us down.
you know, it's a backwards situation.
So for somebody who's listening in PA or across the country who doesn't follow energy policy, give us the big picture.
What has happened to California's oil, natural gas refining over the last decade or two that has gotten us to where we are?
Yeah, it's, you know, largely self-induced and, you know, No one wants to point fingers, but when you look back, I started in this industry over 25 years ago.
And at that point in time in California, we were producing 75% of the crude it needed.
And we had the refining capacity to supply not only the state of California, but our neighbors in Arizona and Nevada.
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