Sep 16, 2026 · 51 min · 11 segments
Michael Tamblyn spoke with TJ Klune, author of…
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And so did that lead to the selection of the black hole as the inevitable end, like truly a universal unstoppable force?
Because if you think about it, if it was an asteroid, we could be like, oh, Armageddon.
Or deep impact where it hit the Earth, but people still survived and all of that.
you know we always even though we don't often talk about it out loud we always want to see that there's going to be hope at some point but with this i wanted to not necessarily take away that hope but find hope in different forms look this book exists the black hole a concept exists because my editor put this into my head we were editing another book

So when you talk about it in the acknowledgements, was this like a little note in another manuscript?
Yeah, this was in Somewhere Beyond the Sea, the sequel to The House in the Cerulean Sea.
And there's a line in there where Lucy is having a confrontation with somebody and uh lucy my my lovely antichrist and he tells he tells that person your your insides are like a black hole nothing there's no light nothing can escape from that and my dad's meaning arthur and linus told me that you can't see a black hole with the naked eye and as any good editor does when we're not knowledgeable about something she looked it up and put it in and then she put a little note the very end of her explanation that said did you know that there's a one in a a wandering black hole could make its way to our galaxy.
And of course, to most everybody in the world, they'd be like, oh, that's infinitesimal odds.
It wasn't even going to be something that I thought would turn into a novel or something to be published.

And so did that lead to the selection of the black hole as the inevitable end, like truly a universal unstoppable force?
Because if you think about it, if it was an asteroid, we could be like, oh, Armageddon.
Or deep impact where it hit the Earth, but people still survived and all of that.
you know we always even though we don't often talk about it out loud we always want to see that there's going to be hope at some point but with this i wanted to not necessarily take away that hope but find hope in different forms look this book exists the black hole a concept exists because my editor put this into my head we were editing another book

So when you talk about it in the acknowledgements, was this like a little note in another manuscript?
Yeah, this was in Somewhere Beyond the Sea, the sequel to The House in the Cerulean Sea.
And there's a line in there where Lucy is having a confrontation with somebody and uh lucy my my lovely antichrist and he tells he tells that person your your insides are like a black hole nothing there's no light nothing can escape from that and my dad's meaning arthur and linus told me that you can't see a black hole with the naked eye and as any good editor does when we're not knowledgeable about something she looked it up and put it in and then she put a little note the very end of her explanation that said did you know that there's a one in a a wandering black hole could make its way to our galaxy.
And of course, to most everybody in the world, they'd be like, oh, that's infinitesimal odds.
It wasn't even going to be something that I thought would turn into a novel or something to be published.
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