Oct 16, 2026 · 53 min · 12 segments
On 16 October 1962, exactly sixty-four years ago, photos of Soviet missiles on Cuba were shown to President Kennedy and the world faced nuclear Armageddon. The definitive account of that thirteen-day…
Reagan, of course, at certain points in, uh, his presidency wasn't taken very seriously.
I remember coming to America for the first time during the presidency, and there was that incident where he joked about launching nuclear weapons.
Of course, he changed a lot later in his presidency during his second term when he negotiated with, uh, Mikhail Gorbachev, but at this point, this was deep in what the Russians called the Age of Stagnation.
Uh, the longtime leader, Leonid Brezhnev, had just died, and his place had been taken by a KGB chief, Yuri Andropov, and as far as Reagan was concerned, you know, the, this was the evil empire that, uh, stood for everything that was antithet- antithetical to America, and, uh, he had a divine mission almost to, uh, combat, uh, this, uh, evil force.
Um, that was his mindset back in 1983, and that was one of, part of the background to this crisis.
How does he come out then of this crisis in terms of your, your, your history in, uh, in this new book, The Six-Minute War? Was he the crazy Reagan? Was he the, the Reagan who appeared to be crazy, was, uh, actually rather sane? Was he the Reagan controlled by Nancy, or a Reagan controlled by his advisors? What, what, what do we, what do we learn about Ronald Reagan from this crisis?
crisis?Well, I think one th- thing that was not appreciated at the time was that Reagan was one of, probably the most anti-nuclear president, uh, the United States has had since the invention of the, uh, atomic bomb in 1945.
And, uh, you see this, um, I think some of this sort of anti-nuclear sentiment was kind of hushed up at the time.
On the one hand there was all this militant anti-communist rhetoric, but on the other hand he was deeply troubled by, you know, the possibility that we could end up in Armageddon.
W- w- which side of Reagan do you think we should take more seriously? The, the, the Bible-thumping, uh, guy who was obsessed with Armageddon and reading the Bible to, to find passages which somehow pertain to nuclear war, or the sensible, down-to-earth guy who actually wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons?
Well, I think both sides are accurate and you can't say that, you know, one side is the real Reagan and the other side i- i- isn't.
Reagan, of course, at certain points in, uh, his presidency wasn't taken very seriously.
I remember coming to America for the first time during the presidency, and there was that incident where he joked about launching nuclear weapons.
Of course, he changed a lot later in his presidency during his second term when he negotiated with, uh, Mikhail Gorbachev, but at this point, this was deep in what the Russians called the Age of Stagnation.
Uh, the longtime leader, Leonid Brezhnev, had just died, and his place had been taken by a KGB chief, Yuri Andropov, and as far as Reagan was concerned, you know, the, this was the evil empire that, uh, stood for everything that was antithet- antithetical to America, and, uh, he had a divine mission almost to, uh, combat, uh, this, uh, evil force.
Um, that was his mindset back in 1983, and that was one of, part of the background to this crisis.
How does he come out then of this crisis in terms of your, your, your history in, uh, in this new book, The Six-Minute War? Was he the crazy Reagan? Was he the, the Reagan who appeared to be crazy, was, uh, actually rather sane? Was he the Reagan controlled by Nancy, or a Reagan controlled by his advisors? What, what, what do we, what do we learn about Ronald Reagan from this crisis?
crisis?Well, I think one th- thing that was not appreciated at the time was that Reagan was one of, probably the most anti-nuclear president, uh, the United States has had since the invention of the, uh, atomic bomb in 1945.
And, uh, you see this, um, I think some of this sort of anti-nuclear sentiment was kind of hushed up at the time.
On the one hand there was all this militant anti-communist rhetoric, but on the other hand he was deeply troubled by, you know, the possibility that we could end up in Armageddon.
W- w- which side of Reagan do you think we should take more seriously? The, the, the Bible-thumping, uh, guy who was obsessed with Armageddon and reading the Bible to, to find passages which somehow pertain to nuclear war, or the sensible, down-to-earth guy who actually wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons?
Well, I think both sides are accurate and you can't say that, you know, one side is the real Reagan and the other side i- i- isn't.
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