Aug 12, 2026 · 1 hr 21 min · 12 segments
In this compelling episode, Rachel welcomes back Pamela Nickel Williams, who shares her profound journey of growing up in Scientology as a second-generation member. Pamela reflects on the complex…
[upbeat music] Welcome to IndoctriNation, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.
It is so nice to have you here so that you can hear a conversation with a guest we've had on the show before, but someone who we love having on this show, someone who has a wonderful and insightful perspective and a great story to tell, Pamela Nicol Williams, who is the author of Clearly Lies Are True, about not only her upbringing in Scientology, but issues with and dealings around her family and family system.
So it is my pleasure to have what is gonna feel like kind of, um, reconnecting with, but also hearing the continuation of a story with someone who really has spent a lot of time thinking through about how trauma, how experiences shape us, and how we can grapple with them as we become adults in the world.
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