Jun 10, 2026 · 1 hr 33 min · 12 segments
If you love herbs then you will adore this episode. Ren Clavey joins Jack and Clare to talk about his famous father, Steven Clavey, and his experiences operating The Herb Gove dispensary in Melbourne…
Ren ClaveyGuestClaireHostJackHostthat Panaxia granules, they recommend 25 grams a day.
But
I've never heard somebody, like in all the time I've been doing the granules now at the Herb Grove, nobody's ever said 25 grams per day.
But at nine grams per day with no change, even with the number of herbs and the script changing, patients are still getting really good results.
And so it's interesting, like, there's a precision and an imprecision in Chinese medicine.
You were talking prior to us turning on the recording, we'll go back to this conversation because it's interesting, about herbs that you got given in China, Claire.
that had a huge dosage and you were meant to take, you know, the whole bag in one day and you could hardly fit it in the pot.
It wouldn't fit in the pot.
It was literally like 180 grams of herbs per day.
Like a bag a day, 180 grams, just like let's get it done.
very effective.
Yeah.
that Panaxia granules, they recommend 25 grams a day.
But
I've never heard somebody, like in all the time I've been doing the granules now at the Herb Grove, nobody's ever said 25 grams per day.
But at nine grams per day with no change, even with the number of herbs and the script changing, patients are still getting really good results.
And so it's interesting, like, there's a precision and an imprecision in Chinese medicine.
You were talking prior to us turning on the recording, we'll go back to this conversation because it's interesting, about herbs that you got given in China, Claire.
that had a huge dosage and you were meant to take, you know, the whole bag in one day and you could hardly fit it in the pot.
It wouldn't fit in the pot.
It was literally like 180 grams of herbs per day.
Like a bag a day, 180 grams, just like let's get it done.
very effective.
Yeah.
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