Green Giants: Titans of Clean Energy Podcast
Oct 16, 2026 · 47 min · 13 segments
What if the biggest battery breakthrough for AI isn't about storing more energy, but delivering power faster? AI data centers aren't just consuming more electricity. They're fundamentally changing…
Tod HiginbothamGuestWes AshworthHostUm, and I think that commercialization lens is a good bridge into ZincFive itself because the interesting part here is isn't simply that nic-nickel zinc exists and technology exists, it's that a very particular capability in that chemistry suddenly lines up with a very different power problem emerging in AI.
For AI infrastructure, though, are we asking the wrong question when we're thinking like that?

We, we always-- We, we believe we've sort of created this, what we call the immediate power space, but it's really just a lens to ask people to look at batteries in different ways.

You know, what are they really good at, and what, what applications should they be used for? In our case, because we can't be used for the other applications, [chuckles] well, you know, it's a self-serving immediate power is something that we, we've been developing.

It's just starting to become more a specialized lens, and I, I actually think of the semiconductor industry when I got into that, uh, back in the, the, uh, mid to late '90s, started to really change.

You know, they brought what they call dual damascene copper interconnects, so it got copper instead of aluminum, much like they did with wiring, you know, a hundred years before, and that changed everything.

Before that, they were using about 10 or 12 elements, and so there was this explosion of chemistry opportunity, and that's what ATMI attacked at that time.

You're starting to see it emerge where batteries are scaling up with different chemistries.

And so I think that was a, you know, a big Part of Zinc Five and Immediate Power.

Zinc Five's battery, the, the battery that was in-invented by Edison, was always designed or thought there as a power battery, something that would have very short, high power discharges and charges.

So as I came into it, we were focused on stop/start automotive power genics.

They were, you know, you start a car a hundred times a day, it's a great battery for that, right? And then as you said, things started to evolve where any short duration, say, less than an hour, or particularly less than 15 or 10 minutes, started becoming a target for us, and that's when we got into the data center space.
I, again, just that distinction between energy and power sounds simple once you hear it, but it really changes the way you evaluate the battery, and you're no longer starting with runtime, you're starting with what the load actually needs the battery to do.
A-and I think it's an important reframing for the audience, too, is, like, four-hour grid battery and something responding to an AI load can both be called energy storage but solving completely different [chuckles] problems as well, too.
Um, and I think that commercialization lens is a good bridge into ZincFive itself because the interesting part here is isn't simply that nic-nickel zinc exists and technology exists, it's that a very particular capability in that chemistry suddenly lines up with a very different power problem emerging in AI.
For AI infrastructure, though, are we asking the wrong question when we're thinking like that?

We, we always-- We, we believe we've sort of created this, what we call the immediate power space, but it's really just a lens to ask people to look at batteries in different ways.

You know, what are they really good at, and what, what applications should they be used for? In our case, because we can't be used for the other applications, [chuckles] well, you know, it's a self-serving immediate power is something that we, we've been developing.

It's just starting to become more a specialized lens, and I, I actually think of the semiconductor industry when I got into that, uh, back in the, the, uh, mid to late '90s, started to really change.

You know, they brought what they call dual damascene copper interconnects, so it got copper instead of aluminum, much like they did with wiring, you know, a hundred years before, and that changed everything.

Before that, they were using about 10 or 12 elements, and so there was this explosion of chemistry opportunity, and that's what ATMI attacked at that time.

You're starting to see it emerge where batteries are scaling up with different chemistries.

And so I think that was a, you know, a big Part of Zinc Five and Immediate Power.

Zinc Five's battery, the, the battery that was in-invented by Edison, was always designed or thought there as a power battery, something that would have very short, high power discharges and charges.

So as I came into it, we were focused on stop/start automotive power genics.

They were, you know, you start a car a hundred times a day, it's a great battery for that, right? And then as you said, things started to evolve where any short duration, say, less than an hour, or particularly less than 15 or 10 minutes, started becoming a target for us, and that's when we got into the data center space.
I, again, just that distinction between energy and power sounds simple once you hear it, but it really changes the way you evaluate the battery, and you're no longer starting with runtime, you're starting with what the load actually needs the battery to do.
A-and I think it's an important reframing for the audience, too, is, like, four-hour grid battery and something responding to an AI load can both be called energy storage but solving completely different [chuckles] problems as well, too.
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