Sep 21, 2026 · 1 hr 19 min · 12 segments
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Julie BuntinGuest
Sarah HildrethHost
Because I, I think, you know, when you describe, not when you described, but when one describes the narrative style of this where it's, like, the n- the narrator largely is Daisy Goodwill, who is also the protagonist.

And she's talking about herself in third person, but there are these little, like, first person interjections.

The tone is very Um, it's reflective and meta, but it's not, I don't know, it doesn't feel like a trick.

I mean, it also feels like it's, like, a work of a writer who's been doing this for some time.

There's a line she, she has in the, or one of the early chapters where she's talking about a stone that's used to weigh down the pu- the Malvern pudding that Daisy's mother makes, and she says, um, something like, "That stone will never appear in this story again." And I was just thrilled to those moments of just complete, like-

They are, they know what they're doing, and you just kind of have to, like, respect that [laughs] or something.

Because I, I think, you know, when you describe, not when you described, but when one describes the narrative style of this where it's, like, the n- the narrator largely is Daisy Goodwill, who is also the protagonist.

And she's talking about herself in third person, but there are these little, like, first person interjections.

The tone is very Um, it's reflective and meta, but it's not, I don't know, it doesn't feel like a trick.

I mean, it also feels like it's, like, a work of a writer who's been doing this for some time.

There's a line she, she has in the, or one of the early chapters where she's talking about a stone that's used to weigh down the pu- the Malvern pudding that Daisy's mother makes, and she says, um, something like, "That stone will never appear in this story again." And I was just thrilled to those moments of just complete, like-

They are, they know what they're doing, and you just kind of have to, like, respect that [laughs] or something.
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