Nikki SmithGuest
Ting TingHost
Yeah, then maybe this is a cut-in point because during the interviews that I have, I talk to a lot of people.

So for me, I know both of you and I are trying to encourage more people underrepresented people to enter the sky guiding industry.

And a lot of time like debating, is that really a good profession for them? You know, I don't know whether you have the same idea.

I think that was some of the discussion when we first met was I was having that debate and it still kind of continues, you know, not just that it's such a low paying profession, And fickle industry, I mean, if you get injured, you can't work.

And then on top of that, it's just straight white that folks from... like underrepresented communities can really struggle in there.

And, and yeah, it's something I've gone back and forth on, but I've also, after, I think five years now of like the LGBTQ plus SPI course that I helped make happen.

It went from a lot of outdoor events and festivals saying no when I first asked if I could do a queer specific affinity space course.

To now, it's in every festival out there, and not just queer ones, but BIPOC and adaptive and veteran and women-specific, and hopefully over 50 should be another thing that needs to happen more regularly.

But I'm seeing that as a result of bringing folks in, and not just by myself, but, you know, Shalma Jun from Flash Foxy and Brown Girls Climb and...

so many others who have championed these programs with the AMGA and just climbing in the outdoors in general.

That's the part that kind of keeps me feeling like, okay, I think there's a lot of negative sides to it that I still worry about, but I also have seen like a real impact that this work has been doing.

Yeah, then maybe this is a cut-in point because during the interviews that I have, I talk to a lot of people.

So for me, I know both of you and I are trying to encourage more people underrepresented people to enter the sky guiding industry.

And a lot of time like debating, is that really a good profession for them? You know, I don't know whether you have the same idea.

I think that was some of the discussion when we first met was I was having that debate and it still kind of continues, you know, not just that it's such a low paying profession, And fickle industry, I mean, if you get injured, you can't work.

And then on top of that, it's just straight white that folks from... like underrepresented communities can really struggle in there.

And, and yeah, it's something I've gone back and forth on, but I've also, after, I think five years now of like the LGBTQ plus SPI course that I helped make happen.

It went from a lot of outdoor events and festivals saying no when I first asked if I could do a queer specific affinity space course.

To now, it's in every festival out there, and not just queer ones, but BIPOC and adaptive and veteran and women-specific, and hopefully over 50 should be another thing that needs to happen more regularly.

But I'm seeing that as a result of bringing folks in, and not just by myself, but, you know, Shalma Jun from Flash Foxy and Brown Girls Climb and...

so many others who have championed these programs with the AMGA and just climbing in the outdoors in general.

That's the part that kind of keeps me feeling like, okay, I think there's a lot of negative sides to it that I still worry about, but I also have seen like a real impact that this work has been doing.
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