Sep 21, 2026 · 1 hr 20 min · 12 segments
Could the "divine double" be a hidden guide within us, and what happens when we begin to recognize it? Harvard Divinity School professor Charles Stang, author of Our Divine Double, joins Ethan to…
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Well, uh, Ethan, it's really, uh, wonderful to be here with you and, and this is my first time teaching for The Lectern, so I'm excited to, uh, to work with this platform and, and to work with these students.

As Ethan said, I, uh, my, my day job is at Harvard Divinity School, where I teach, um, uh, almost exclusively graduate students.


Uh, but maybe I'll start by saying that, uh, John and I met several years ago, uh, after he had read m- my book, Our Divine Double.

And you know how voracious a reader John is and how generous a reader John is.

So I met him, and he was enthusing about my book, and it took me some time to really understand why that book had spoken to John in the way that it did.

Um, but that began a long, um, a longstanding friendship and collaboration with John, uh, uh, one part of which wa- were these, uh, Lectern dialogues that you mentioned, Eth- that he and I did a few, uh, couple years ago.
Yeah

So I was writing a book, uh, called Our Divine Double, that you mentioned, and in it, I had to wrangle with this very important chapter in the history of ancient philosophy, namely Socrates having, uh, told the assembled group of his accusers, uh, at his defense trial, um, that having told them that since childhood he had something daimon-like, daimonion in Greek.
Hmm

Now, he, he mentions this daimon-like guardian or accompaniment, uh, to help explain to his accusers why he has not gone into politics, but instead philosophy.



Well, uh, Ethan, it's really, uh, wonderful to be here with you and, and this is my first time teaching for The Lectern, so I'm excited to, uh, to work with this platform and, and to work with these students.

As Ethan said, I, uh, my, my day job is at Harvard Divinity School, where I teach, um, uh, almost exclusively graduate students.


Uh, but maybe I'll start by saying that, uh, John and I met several years ago, uh, after he had read m- my book, Our Divine Double.

And you know how voracious a reader John is and how generous a reader John is.

So I met him, and he was enthusing about my book, and it took me some time to really understand why that book had spoken to John in the way that it did.

Um, but that began a long, um, a longstanding friendship and collaboration with John, uh, uh, one part of which wa- were these, uh, Lectern dialogues that you mentioned, Eth- that he and I did a few, uh, couple years ago.
Yeah

So I was writing a book, uh, called Our Divine Double, that you mentioned, and in it, I had to wrangle with this very important chapter in the history of ancient philosophy, namely Socrates having, uh, told the assembled group of his accusers, uh, at his defense trial, um, that having told them that since childhood he had something daimon-like, daimonion in Greek.
Hmm

Now, he, he mentions this daimon-like guardian or accompaniment, uh, to help explain to his accusers why he has not gone into politics, but instead philosophy.


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