Dr. Anthony Lilles - Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts
Aug 14, 2026 · 28 min · 10 segments
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Anthony LillesGuestKris McGregorHostWhat I found fascinating in using the life of St. Francis that was given to us by St. Bonaventure is that there was so much more happening in his life as far as his process of conversion, that it wasn't one of those instantaneous moments, that there was something that was growing inside of him almost from the very beginning.
From the Life of Saint Francis by Saint Bonaventure Chapter 1 The following night, while he was asleep, the Divine Mercy showed him a spacious and beautiful palace, filled with arms and military standards, all marked with the Cross of Christ, to make known to him that his charitable deed done for the poor soldier for love of the Great King of Heaven would receive an unspeakable reward.
When he asked for whom all these things were reserved, a divine voice answered him, that they were for him and for his soldiers.
When Francis awoke early in the morning, not yet accustomed to understand and interpret divine mysteries, nor through visible signs to ascend to invisible truths, he thought this strange vision betokened some great earthly prosperity.
Therefore, still ignorant of the divine will, he resolved to go into Apulia, to enter the household of a certain count of great magnificence and generosity, who lived in that country, hoping in his service to acquire military honor and renown, according to what he supposed to be the meaning of the vision.
And what I love about this dream and how Bonaventure will describe it, he says he falls asleep and the divine mercy showed him a spacious and beautiful palace.
even in this time in the 1200s, the recognition of where that grace is flowing.
I think that's something we need to maybe even think about because a lot of times when we think about divine mercy in our present time in the life of the church where we're at today, we may not have the full awareness that the church has been speaking the language of mercy like this for a very long time.


And it goes on to say, "...he's distracted by external affairs, his father's business." He's drawn down towards earthly things by the corruption of human nature.

And he has yet learned how to contemplate the things of heaven or acquire a taste for the things of God.
Mm-hmm.
What I found fascinating in using the life of St. Francis that was given to us by St. Bonaventure is that there was so much more happening in his life as far as his process of conversion, that it wasn't one of those instantaneous moments, that there was something that was growing inside of him almost from the very beginning.
From the Life of Saint Francis by Saint Bonaventure Chapter 1 The following night, while he was asleep, the Divine Mercy showed him a spacious and beautiful palace, filled with arms and military standards, all marked with the Cross of Christ, to make known to him that his charitable deed done for the poor soldier for love of the Great King of Heaven would receive an unspeakable reward.
When he asked for whom all these things were reserved, a divine voice answered him, that they were for him and for his soldiers.
When Francis awoke early in the morning, not yet accustomed to understand and interpret divine mysteries, nor through visible signs to ascend to invisible truths, he thought this strange vision betokened some great earthly prosperity.
Therefore, still ignorant of the divine will, he resolved to go into Apulia, to enter the household of a certain count of great magnificence and generosity, who lived in that country, hoping in his service to acquire military honor and renown, according to what he supposed to be the meaning of the vision.
And what I love about this dream and how Bonaventure will describe it, he says he falls asleep and the divine mercy showed him a spacious and beautiful palace.
even in this time in the 1200s, the recognition of where that grace is flowing.
I think that's something we need to maybe even think about because a lot of times when we think about divine mercy in our present time in the life of the church where we're at today, we may not have the full awareness that the church has been speaking the language of mercy like this for a very long time.


And it goes on to say, "...he's distracted by external affairs, his father's business." He's drawn down towards earthly things by the corruption of human nature.

And he has yet learned how to contemplate the things of heaven or acquire a taste for the things of God.
Mm-hmm.
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