Sep 9, 2026 · 42 min · 9 segments
Following our recent conversation with Marcus Mescher on moral injury, we are sharing our second bonus episode of Descent into Light.In this episode, Sister Danielle and Sister Theresa sit down with…
Boniface HicksGuest
Danielle Victoria LussierHost
Theresa Aletheia NobleHost[gentle music] So thank you so much for joining us for this, uh, bonus episode of Descent into Light.
We've had so many people responding to us, um, from listening to your, to your responses and to your interview, um, and sharing on our, on our podcast in episode two.
And I know that it's been healing for so many people to hear a, hear a, a priest, a re- a religious, um, speak to the hearts of this wound, um, and, and that so many people have experienced.
Thank you for, um, being willing to engage in these conversations and for...
I know that this is something that you bring into the work that you do in no matter what it is you're engaged in.
Welcome to our, our second, um, extended bonus episode of Descent into Light.

It's a delight to be with you, and so grateful for the wonderful podcast you put together and the positive impact that it's having, and grateful to be part of it.
So in your experience, and you're- you're in many different kinds of worlds.
You just were at SEEK, and you teach as well at St Vincent Seminary, and you also are a part of a lot of different kind of programs online and things like this.
So we're curious, like, since, you know, before we started talking about this, we had a really hard time finding people that we could talk to about spiritual abuse, spiritual bypassing, grooming, these kinds of top- topics.
Um, what has been your experience, um, since these conversations have kinda come up more and more in the church, it seems like in recent days or months, years? Um, w- what have you been seeing in terms of, like, an increase on the topic of, um, abuse of power, spiritual abuse, or abuse of conscience? And h- how- what is its significance to you?
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[gentle music] So thank you so much for joining us for this, uh, bonus episode of Descent into Light.
We've had so many people responding to us, um, from listening to your, to your responses and to your interview, um, and sharing on our, on our podcast in episode two.
And I know that it's been healing for so many people to hear a, hear a, a priest, a re- a religious, um, speak to the hearts of this wound, um, and, and that so many people have experienced.
Thank you for, um, being willing to engage in these conversations and for...
I know that this is something that you bring into the work that you do in no matter what it is you're engaged in.
Welcome to our, our second, um, extended bonus episode of Descent into Light.

It's a delight to be with you, and so grateful for the wonderful podcast you put together and the positive impact that it's having, and grateful to be part of it.
So in your experience, and you're- you're in many different kinds of worlds.
You just were at SEEK, and you teach as well at St Vincent Seminary, and you also are a part of a lot of different kind of programs online and things like this.
So we're curious, like, since, you know, before we started talking about this, we had a really hard time finding people that we could talk to about spiritual abuse, spiritual bypassing, grooming, these kinds of top- topics.
Um, what has been your experience, um, since these conversations have kinda come up more and more in the church, it seems like in recent days or months, years? Um, w- what have you been seeing in terms of, like, an increase on the topic of, um, abuse of power, spiritual abuse, or abuse of conscience? And h- how- what is its significance to you?