Ceuta & Beyond: Escalating Threat to Europe

So I guess we should lay the groundwork of the conversation.

So today Italy has suspended the Schengen visa, border free with Spain.

And last week it was between 49,000 and 60,000 migrants that swam.

Depending on

who you talk to, yeah.

Right.

Still tens of thousands that swam from Morocco to the Spanish enclave of Ceuta, which is still part of Africa.

Swam or walked? A bit of both, right? 57 drowned, I think.

This is an important point.

Sorry to jump in on you as you're literally in your first sentence of explaining.

My understanding is that the spanish supreme court recently ruled there was protections for those who arrived by sea versus those who arrived by land there's a legal difference in terms of deporting them which is an important distinction i don't know you know it's very hard to suss out between media and social media what what is actually going on but what i was seeing were people walking along the shore or like swimming out and around a jetty.

So I don't know if that technically arrived by sea or if we can say they swam there or they walked there.

I guess it's a bit of both.

Sorry.

I just wanted to sort of jump on that and say, yeah,

no, I mean, obviously we need to, you know, frame it properly.

Right.

I mean, obviously they're not, You know, with Suti, you obviously had to look it up because, OK, the Spanish enclave.

So they swam across the strait.

Gibraltar.

No, no, of course not.

Right.

They it's still part of Africa.

So probably the Thais were just right for them to swim, walk in shallower and more calm waters.

Yeah, I would think it would be perhaps forgive me if my ignorance, but perhaps akin to Mexico.

So I guess we should lay the groundwork of the conversation.

So today Italy has suspended the Schengen visa, border free with Spain.

And last week it was between 49,000 and 60,000 migrants that swam.

Depending on

who you talk to, yeah.

Right.

Still tens of thousands that swam from Morocco to the Spanish enclave of Ceuta, which is still part of Africa.

Swam or walked? A bit of both, right? 57 drowned, I think.

This is an important point.

Sorry to jump in on you as you're literally in your first sentence of explaining.

My understanding is that the spanish supreme court recently ruled there was protections for those who arrived by sea versus those who arrived by land there's a legal difference in terms of deporting them which is an important distinction i don't know you know it's very hard to suss out between media and social media what what is actually going on but what i was seeing were people walking along the shore or like swimming out and around a jetty.

So I don't know if that technically arrived by sea or if we can say they swam there or they walked there.

I guess it's a bit of both.

Sorry.

I just wanted to sort of jump on that and say, yeah,

no, I mean, obviously we need to, you know, frame it properly.

Right.

I mean, obviously they're not, You know, with Suti, you obviously had to look it up because, OK, the Spanish enclave.

So they swam across the strait.

Gibraltar.

No, no, of course not.

Right.

They it's still part of Africa.

So probably the Thais were just right for them to swim, walk in shallower and more calm waters.

Yeah, I would think it would be perhaps forgive me if my ignorance, but perhaps akin to Mexico.