The Science of Never Giving Up with Jan Raeder

You know, you said something.

You mentioned that you wrote this book during COVID.

And the first thing that popped into my mind was, you know, we talk about setbacks.

You know, if there ever was a worldwide setback, it was COVID.

And we're not going to talk about the politics of it and all this.

We're just talking about what it did to society.

It took us into a world that we never even experienced or never even imagined or even thought about.

But then we had to learn virtual.

We had learned how to get on Zoom, how to get on WebEx, and then start having these conversations to improve work, even though doing this setback.

And my professor was telling me, she told us, when you're learning how to do something you've never done, it's like building a plane and learning how to fly it at the same time.

But it was something that we were able to, yeah, I mean, that was just brilliant, what she said.

And then if you look at where we are now from that major setback, that should encourage anybody, regardless of whatever it is that you're going through or whatever you're facing, that it is possible for you to see the other side because that's what we're able to do.

And now we are a more advanced society than we were before.

because elderly people learn how to get on the internet, learn how to have Zoom calls, learn how to work these iPhones and all this other stuff.

So it kind of boosted up the whole just technology, if that makes sense to you.

That's just one of those tangent I was telling you about.

Yeah, it's when you're talking about the pandemic and this incredible watershed moment for everyone.

And I think I can pretty much say a watershed moment for everyone on the planet.

Um, because so many places, uh, obviously we're touched by this pandemic and of course in different ways.

And I think, and I still don't think we've seen everything, all the, all the fallout, if you will, from, from this incredible, um, I like to think of it as opportunity now to take a step back and say, Where are things that we can we can adjust now how we interact? And I love that you brought up about trying new things like getting on to technology for getting together with people, you know, making adaptations for not being able to be in the same room with somebody and and how our technology has pushed us forward.

Uh, so it's, you know, the other thing that I would mention just briefly about the pandemic, uh, because I said this to a lot of people that I talked to, um, is every single person had, has now, and they still have it, a degree of anxiety.

Um, prior to the pandemic, not everybody had that, but if you think about it, even the they got a little bit of it because we weren't sure what was going to happen.

And so there was that scary part of the future.

So with everybody having a little bit of anxiety, that changed how things were with With the pandemic now, the way it is now, people that had anxiety before the pandemic, it could it could have been out of control for them.

And I just want to briefly say about the differentiation between depression and anxiety.