Sep 25, 2026 · 58 min · 10 segments
We tend to think of logic and intuition as opposites. One belongs to the head, the other to the heart. Artist Esther Loopstra and mathematician Allison Henrich, Phd, explore the power of what happens…
Esther LoopstraGuest
Grace ChonHost
Allison HenrichGuest
So the space of becoming is I think you talked about it, Grace, and a couple episodes ago from I can't remember the title of

And I was like, this is exactly the space of becoming because you were talking about how you knew that photography was kind of phasing out or you weren't as excited about it, but you didn't know what's next.

And it took you a long time of trying all these different things exploring just like Allison was talking about exploring all these different things.

So the space of becoming is just like going through those seasons in nature where you're becoming something different, some different person.

plant some different version of yourself, but you can't really see who it is who you are becoming.

That's kind of what we've been taught to do just figure out what you're gonna do and just do it.

And then on the other side, the maybe like extreme yin energy is like, oh, I'm just gonna like go with the flow and life is gonna show me what's happening.

But really, How to move through that space of becoming, nature shows us how to do it.

So the space of becoming is I think you talked about it, Grace, and a couple episodes ago from I can't remember the title of

And I was like, this is exactly the space of becoming because you were talking about how you knew that photography was kind of phasing out or you weren't as excited about it, but you didn't know what's next.

And it took you a long time of trying all these different things exploring just like Allison was talking about exploring all these different things.

So the space of becoming is just like going through those seasons in nature where you're becoming something different, some different person.

plant some different version of yourself, but you can't really see who it is who you are becoming.

That's kind of what we've been taught to do just figure out what you're gonna do and just do it.

And then on the other side, the maybe like extreme yin energy is like, oh, I'm just gonna like go with the flow and life is gonna show me what's happening.

But really, How to move through that space of becoming, nature shows us how to do it.
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