Yeah.

She doesn't have some, a lot of the blocks like that I have.

And I've been studying manifesting for such a long time.

And the specific thing doesn't really work for me, but what I do get is sort of a felt sense of, or a vision.

Like one of the examples I give is when I was moving from one of my houses that was horrible and we were trying to find another place.

I created this mood board because all I could see was like windows.

All I could see was light because the house was like really dark.

Can you talk to us about this idea about trust? Because I think people think it's just being totally passive, trusting in

sounding than math.

Yeah, so I'm an artist and she's a mathematician.

She's a researcher, but she also teaches math and she teaches people.

So for me, when I teach art or creativity, I basically am helping people to connect to their core essence within them.

So it's not really about creativity as much as it is connecting to themself and to the creative process, which is about change and how we can change our life.

And so Her whole thing, Alison Henrich, her whole thing is about helping people recognize that math is intuitive.

And so she helps people who don't feel like they're math-inclined.

How is it for you now with just the idea of uncertainty, how growing up that was really scary for you when you kind of bump up against something that you really can't make heads or tails of? How is that for you now at this point?