Jul 24, 2026 · 26 min · 13 segments
Tom Fox and Ronnie Feldman host Cavini Wong on Creativity and Compliance to discuss how change management principles align with ethics and compliance by focusing on influencing behavior rather than…
Caveni WongGuest
Ronnie FeldmanHost
Tom FoxHost
I remember it was one of those days where we were like, you're coming out of the reception and we're looking for friends.

One of the things I enjoy about you is because you've been in-house, because you've worked in consulting companies, You don't come from what I would call the tradition old school way of a lot of compliance people think.

But when we were chatting last, you had mentioned that you have a perspective about change management.

And so I thought I would ask you to share a little bit about that perspective, about how compliance and change management all go together.

If you think about it, compliance is all about wanting people to behave a certain way.

Change management is all about wanting people to do certain things that you want them to do because of a corporate change program and initiative or whatever.

And I personally have used a lot of change management tactics to to be effective, especially in my role in-house.

That's not a term that I typically use, but it makes sense because one thing that drives me crazy about compliance programs is sometimes we're looking at defensibility first, which is what we think the regulators want.

And I think that's a little bass-ackwards because I think we should be thinking about how can we influence behaviors.

People are their best selves, which reduces your risk, which is what the regulators want in the first place, right?

So I think if you look at just the defensibility portion of it, what regulators want, that's way too superficial.

I remember it was one of those days where we were like, you're coming out of the reception and we're looking for friends.

One of the things I enjoy about you is because you've been in-house, because you've worked in consulting companies, You don't come from what I would call the tradition old school way of a lot of compliance people think.

But when we were chatting last, you had mentioned that you have a perspective about change management.

And so I thought I would ask you to share a little bit about that perspective, about how compliance and change management all go together.

If you think about it, compliance is all about wanting people to behave a certain way.

Change management is all about wanting people to do certain things that you want them to do because of a corporate change program and initiative or whatever.

And I personally have used a lot of change management tactics to to be effective, especially in my role in-house.

That's not a term that I typically use, but it makes sense because one thing that drives me crazy about compliance programs is sometimes we're looking at defensibility first, which is what we think the regulators want.

And I think that's a little bass-ackwards because I think we should be thinking about how can we influence behaviors.

People are their best selves, which reduces your risk, which is what the regulators want in the first place, right?

So I think if you look at just the defensibility portion of it, what regulators want, that's way too superficial.
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