Jul 28, 2026 · 1 hr 7 min · 12 segments
In this episode of Carrying The Culture, we sit down with Casual of the legendary Hieroglyphics.We dive into his latest album Black Magic, his consistent run of new music, and the evolution of the…
I mean, that's dope.
Yo, I want to dig into some of this.
I got one of the best MCs in the world, and I really want to dig into this rap shit as far as some details.
Okay.
So, a bunch of questions, but when you say, if you think of best fitters, I'm not asking for a top five, I'm saying What criteria are you judging by? So what me and my man did, we came up, we're ranking Wu Tang, we're ranking Jairo, and we came up with a scorecard.
And I'm gonna ask you to take a look at it and see if there's anything you've changed.
And I'll bring it up on the screen in a minute, but off the top, What criteria are you using when you judge in MCs?
So that's a very good question.
And me being like an MC's MC, I'm kind of like looking for things that like a master, well, I don't want to say the wrong thing, just a master martial artist is looking for in a young sensei.
Like for me, for real.
So I would look for...
A sense of cleverness that outwits me.
You see what I'm saying? Like the rappers that outwit me, I love them.
Like, oh, I didn't think of that.
I think he about to say something, he'll say something else.
So
I'm like, to me, there is a creative wit that is almost chief And it's almost better than how you put the rhymes together because putting the rhymes together is the easiest part of rapping.
Everybody can rhyme.
Cat, hat, fat, bat.
You know what I'm saying? Anybody can just do rhymes no matter how many syllables you think is complicated.
If you explain that to another person, they can pick up on it and do it.
So therefore, one of the chief I don't bite on the patterns as much as I bite on the sustenance or the sustenance in the words.
And it ain't always gotta be a double entendre, triple entendre.
It could just be one profound statement that you could tell it was witty.
I mean, that's dope.
Yo, I want to dig into some of this.
I got one of the best MCs in the world, and I really want to dig into this rap shit as far as some details.
Okay.
So, a bunch of questions, but when you say, if you think of best fitters, I'm not asking for a top five, I'm saying What criteria are you judging by? So what me and my man did, we came up, we're ranking Wu Tang, we're ranking Jairo, and we came up with a scorecard.
And I'm gonna ask you to take a look at it and see if there's anything you've changed.
And I'll bring it up on the screen in a minute, but off the top, What criteria are you using when you judge in MCs?
So that's a very good question.
And me being like an MC's MC, I'm kind of like looking for things that like a master, well, I don't want to say the wrong thing, just a master martial artist is looking for in a young sensei.
Like for me, for real.
So I would look for...
A sense of cleverness that outwits me.
You see what I'm saying? Like the rappers that outwit me, I love them.
Like, oh, I didn't think of that.
I think he about to say something, he'll say something else.
So
I'm like, to me, there is a creative wit that is almost chief And it's almost better than how you put the rhymes together because putting the rhymes together is the easiest part of rapping.
Everybody can rhyme.
Cat, hat, fat, bat.
You know what I'm saying? Anybody can just do rhymes no matter how many syllables you think is complicated.
If you explain that to another person, they can pick up on it and do it.
So therefore, one of the chief I don't bite on the patterns as much as I bite on the sustenance or the sustenance in the words.
And it ain't always gotta be a double entendre, triple entendre.
It could just be one profound statement that you could tell it was witty.
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