Oct 14, 2026 · 33 min · 10 segments
Michael Shellenberger is a leading investigative journalist wellknown for his work on the Twitter Files. He is the founder and president of Civilization Works, a nonprofit that incubates ideas…
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Alex AnticHost
And for people that don't understand, that means the government put out, uh, and some would say cynically, a document which is, "Well, this is what we're proposing to bring to Parliament.
Well, you could say that about anything, and especially particularly when you're talking about psychological harm, you know, hurt feelings.
And so that was the first thing, uh, we, you know, we, we drew attention to right away, but then we missed something that had been in, that was buried deep in the bill.
Andrew Loewenthal and Michael Na- Naina actually wrote about this provision around what's called sock puppets.
Two years ago in the misinformation legislation, the Australian government wanted to crack down on these fake anonymous accounts.
Now the government wants to use them essentially as informational warfare against the Australian people.
And when you ask, when the people ha- that have tried to defend this provision to this law, they say, "Oh, that's just to enforce the legislation." But that's not what the legislation says at all.
And for people that don't understand, that means the government put out, uh, and some would say cynically, a document which is, "Well, this is what we're proposing to bring to Parliament.
Well, you could say that about anything, and especially particularly when you're talking about psychological harm, you know, hurt feelings.
And so that was the first thing, uh, we, you know, we, we drew attention to right away, but then we missed something that had been in, that was buried deep in the bill.
Andrew Loewenthal and Michael Na- Naina actually wrote about this provision around what's called sock puppets.
Two years ago in the misinformation legislation, the Australian government wanted to crack down on these fake anonymous accounts.
Now the government wants to use them essentially as informational warfare against the Australian people.
And when you ask, when the people ha- that have tried to defend this provision to this law, they say, "Oh, that's just to enforce the legislation." But that's not what the legislation says at all.
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