Sep 17, 2026 · 39 min · 10 segments
Paul Gessing has spent the past 20 years working to shape policy in New Mexico as president of the Rio Grande Foundation, an Albuquerque-based think tank focused on promoting “individual freedom…
Paul GessingGuest
Daniel ChacónHost
Well, you hit on something that I wanted to ask you about because New Mexico is kind of considered more of a blue state.

I joke that I could roll out of bed in Texas and pass three laws by lunch, but that's not the reality here in New Mexico.

Of course, The real problem from my perspective is that things have gotten significantly harder over time.

Look, Bill Richardson, may God rest his soul, he was the governor when I came to New Mexico and started with the Rio Grande Foundation.

He would look like a Republican at this point in time, given the leftward drift of the Democratic Party.

He was America's biggest tax-cutting governor at the time when I was making my move.

And New Mexico was growing and really exciting in a lot of ways, not just due to those tax reductions, but also people thought Eclipse Aviation and some of these projects that Richardson had tried to bring to New Mexico, that those were going to make a solid impact on our state.

Bill Richardson was coming from a much different place where I think most Democrats are right now.

Well, you hit on something that I wanted to ask you about because New Mexico is kind of considered more of a blue state.

I joke that I could roll out of bed in Texas and pass three laws by lunch, but that's not the reality here in New Mexico.

Of course, The real problem from my perspective is that things have gotten significantly harder over time.

Look, Bill Richardson, may God rest his soul, he was the governor when I came to New Mexico and started with the Rio Grande Foundation.

He would look like a Republican at this point in time, given the leftward drift of the Democratic Party.

He was America's biggest tax-cutting governor at the time when I was making my move.

And New Mexico was growing and really exciting in a lot of ways, not just due to those tax reductions, but also people thought Eclipse Aviation and some of these projects that Richardson had tried to bring to New Mexico, that those were going to make a solid impact on our state.

Bill Richardson was coming from a much different place where I think most Democrats are right now.
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