All This and the Oscars Too Podcast
Jul 9, 2026 · 1 hr 54 min · 11 segments
Sasha Stone, Jeremy Jentzen, and Scott Kernen talk about the “woke” casting choices in Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey and how that has turned it into yet another battle in our ongoing culture war…
Sasha StoneHost
Jeremy JensenHost
Scott KernenHost
So we're starting off this podcast by talking about how the Odyssey has entered the culture war.
We are fighting a virtual civil war and humans tend to, you know, we expand territory, we build tribes, we fight wars for that territory.
That I helped build starting in 1999 and that we've grown bigger with social media.
And the right kind of busted through in a populist revolution that did not go well.
Who's going to win the narrative? How is the story going to be told? How is everybody going to agree on that story? And every so often something will drop into the churn and into the middle of the culture war and we'll all go to battle over it.
And right now that's the Odyssey because Christopher Nolan made two very, I don't know if he did it or if his wife did it or if the casting director did it and he just went along with it.
To cast Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships, considered the most beautiful woman in the world.
So we're starting off this podcast by talking about how the Odyssey has entered the culture war.
We are fighting a virtual civil war and humans tend to, you know, we expand territory, we build tribes, we fight wars for that territory.
That I helped build starting in 1999 and that we've grown bigger with social media.
And the right kind of busted through in a populist revolution that did not go well.
Who's going to win the narrative? How is the story going to be told? How is everybody going to agree on that story? And every so often something will drop into the churn and into the middle of the culture war and we'll all go to battle over it.
And right now that's the Odyssey because Christopher Nolan made two very, I don't know if he did it or if his wife did it or if the casting director did it and he just went along with it.
To cast Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships, considered the most beautiful woman in the world.
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