Sep 25, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 10 segments
Most builders already have more intelligence at their fingertips than they know what to do with. That's the tension Sam Odio and Tom Preston-Werner press on with Peter Steinberger, Creator of…
Peter SteinbergerGuest
Sam OdioHost
Tom Preston-WernerHostSam PlukasGuest
Like, if you use OpenClaw, if you use another agent that you prefer, I'm not discriminating, the more systems you build to get data in, the better...

So Tom, you probably, do you use Slack for organizing your life and team?

But I feel if you have to think about how are the agents trained and what are they most good at, they're most good at ripping through, as called, light file or ripping through files.

If they always have to call a connector, and then maybe that takes like two seconds for your search results, and then comes back, and oh, I need this, and it calls again.

If you give them a database, it's going to bombard your database, and then you have the same thing in 0.2 seconds, maybe.

And then suddenly, instead of you, you're standing there and waiting for the typing indicator to bounce.

Some people, when they write about me and don't really get it, they're like, oh, Peter had like 43 failed projects.

Like, if you use OpenClaw, if you use another agent that you prefer, I'm not discriminating, the more systems you build to get data in, the better...

So Tom, you probably, do you use Slack for organizing your life and team?

But I feel if you have to think about how are the agents trained and what are they most good at, they're most good at ripping through, as called, light file or ripping through files.

If they always have to call a connector, and then maybe that takes like two seconds for your search results, and then comes back, and oh, I need this, and it calls again.

If you give them a database, it's going to bombard your database, and then you have the same thing in 0.2 seconds, maybe.

And then suddenly, instead of you, you're standing there and waiting for the typing indicator to bounce.

Some people, when they write about me and don't really get it, they're like, oh, Peter had like 43 failed projects.
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