Yeah.

Um, what I don't fully know yet is if we will be in a future that is mostly your agent or if it's gonna be whole army.

I think, I'm thinking both approaches.

I'm more in the f- in the, in, uh, the first team, but I can also totally see like the, the second team.

And then how all these are like how your personal and your team agents interact.

There's still a lot of questions that I don't think the industry has fully figured out.

Like, you need to, you need-

Kind of re- kind of replicate those hierarchies, and then maybe your agent, "Oh, this is something really complicated.

And like, nothing has been there yet.

There's a setup where you could get to 100%, but it's still not as easy as it could be.

You have to create a system where there's one agent.

The only thing the agent can do is create tickets in a database.

And then there's another agent that will look at what this agent does.

And as soon as it sees like, oh, there's too many tickets, the ticket's suspicious, it shuts it down.

And then there's a third agent that can take those tickets and do them into actions.

Can you talk a little bit about how you manage those parallel agents and what tools do you use to keep them working autonomously? So that you have to check in with them less.

[upbeat music] Six months ago, I was the future.

These days, the polls say I got mocked by an anime girl.

You know, I get questions like this almost every day.

Usually, I ignore it, or I give the media answer.

Today, you get some real ones.

It's gonna be five questions, forty minutes.

Mhm.

Und da war schon dieses Need da, dass ich, ich halt einen Prompt abgebe und dann lauf ich in die Küche und entweder, entweder es funktioniert und das Ding rennt eine halbe Stunde oder irgendwas gibt's und es hört nach fünf Minuten auf.

Und wenn du dann eine halbe Stunde was anderes machst und dann zurückkommst und es wartet eigentlich auf einen Input, dann war wieder so, okay, zwanzig Minuten Braten.

Und da war eigentlich schon dieser Need da so, ich, ich hätte irgendwas, um, um meinen, meinen, meinen Agent da fernzusteuern.

Dann, äh, dann einen Open Source Projekt da gebaut, aus einem Hackathon raus, Vibe Tunnel.

Also das ist eigentlich ein bisschen als Joke entstanden, ist aber dann relativ successful geworden.

Aber das war irgendwie das falsche Format.

Das wäre gut, ja.

[gentle music] And now our TED Talk of the Day.

What's OpenClaw? I've been programming since I was fourteen.

Building software felt like playing a video game.

I couldn't stop until I did.

I created a company.

I poured a decade of my life into it.

No venture capital.

[laughing]

Hmm.

'Cause, 'cause a lot of people came who didn't know how to behave in a public forum, or were, like, just spamming and making chaos, basically.

Or, like, asking me all the, all the simplest questions like: "What's the CLI?" And I'm like: If you don't know that, you shouldn't use it.

It's not quite for you yet.

And they would just ignore me, and, like, eventually figure it out, just, like, brute force, cloud code on it.

Like, completely, like, you know, "Oh, it doesn't work." Cloud could, like, happily set all the security to zero, so it works.

Yeah.

And then how, how could you ex- exploit it? Yeah, 'cause it...

Do you lean one way or the other?

Uh, yeah.

I'm, not sure how much I should share there.

It's not quite finalized yet.

Um, let's, let's just say, like, on either of these, my conditions are that the project stays open source, that it-- maybe it's gonna be a model like Chrome and Chromium.

Um, I think this is, this is too important to just give to a company and make it theirs.

It-- this is...

Do you think AI replaces programmers completely, human programmers?

Yeah.

And then I built that, and I, I built a lot of stuff.

Um, there's, like, one project that is still unfinished, that I, at, at some point, wanna finish.

And I built a lo- a lot of, a lot of CLIs, because that's, that's where agents are really good.

You know, you have to close the loop.

That's always the, the secret.

You have to give-- You have to build it so that the agent has the best possible way to build software, and this is... that's the, the secret a little bit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I build up, and I, I built a lot of stuff.

Um, there's like one project that is still unfinished, that I, at, at some point wanna finish.

And I build a lo- a lot of, a lot of CLIs, because that's, that's where agents are really good.

You know, you have to close the loop.

That's always the, the secret.

You have to give...

Yeah.