SQL is the worst DSL, except for all the other ones

And I think this is going to bring me back to asking about, you know, what do we actually mean by the data platform part and whether or not humans could still be building and maintaining that.

I don't think that that... completely

goes away

you hope

well if it goes away there's hopefully some new

uh some some new future what's the sort of frame of reference here so if we have a log solution we're throwing logs in it obviously those are production logs uh but maybe you're also talking about infrastructure logs or business relevant metrics

etc i love the question and i love the personas that you've uh introduced it turns out some logs are business relevant Some logs are only infrastructure, some logs are both.

And sometimes you need to do some things to the logs in order to make them business relevant or make them other things.

And the traditional set of data tools that have been available have created a bit of a spaghetti of, okay, let's put all of our logs, for example, going concrete, let's put all our logs into Splunk.

But then the PM wants something, and so they're told, okay, use Splunk for that.

They use Splunk for it, and then they need to share it with someone else.

There ends up being this notion of, okay, let's teach the business analyst to use Splunk They're like, I don't...

The thing that's most interesting about logs is the structure of the log and not necessarily how it's used.

Where traditionally we believe that you have to take the data and move it to different systems, because of how it's used.

That's not actually true.

The actual thing is that a log is interesting in and of itself.

You can compress it with kind of domain specific technologies.

There's specific ways that people want to extract things out of logs.

There's specific ways people want to look at logs.

But you can take that log and make it SQL queryable.

You can take that log and make it exposed in other systems.

You should be able to have your log, use it from whatever system you want.

And it's the same for the agent as well.

Like the agent should also be able to access that same data.

You're definitely an optimist.