Finding faith in your truth ...
Oct 5, 2026 · 28 min · 12 segments
🔥 WHAT IF GOD ISN'T WHO YOU WERE TOLD? From top-charting Christian music icon to burning it all down in search of the truth. In this raw, unfiltered interview…
Oct 5, 2026 · 28 min · 12 segments
🔥 WHAT IF GOD ISN'T WHO YOU WERE TOLD? From top-charting Christian music icon to burning it all down in search of the truth. In this raw, unfiltered interview…
Michael GungorGuestCarl LeibowitzHostYou often talk about Eastern philosophy, mindfulness, and letting go of the stories we tell ourselves.
what eventually helped settle some of my angst about what i believed is i saw how it was tied to my sense of who i believe myself to be like it wasn't just belief about the bible or this doctrine or that doctrine it was like tied to who am i and what is my community what where how do i belong to this group of people and um So the more that I began to look at those deeper kind of questions and attachments of who I thought I was, some of the surface stuff, like what do I believe about this specific thing, didn't matter so much because those were just like kind of farther up in the tree, if you will.
The deeper roots of like who I believed myself to be and those attachments were really where the deepest healing needed to happen.
Yeah, for a while, even family and the closest people in my life, it was all stressful because when you have a community that puts belief before belonging sometimes, which is something I've seen a lot in a lot of different religious spaces, and that can really infiltrate into deepest friendships, family, all that kind of stuff.
And I've met a lot of people who've had similar experiences where it's like questioning this one thing, you know, like hell or becoming affirming of LGBTQ people or any kind of single issue.
So sometimes these questions for a lot of us, it's not just about the logic of it or just about the single issue.
It's like if I change my position, I kind of like become the other team to a lot of people in my world.
So when you decided this, were you very scared or did you do this? Because you said, yeah.
You often talk about Eastern philosophy, mindfulness, and letting go of the stories we tell ourselves.
what eventually helped settle some of my angst about what i believed is i saw how it was tied to my sense of who i believe myself to be like it wasn't just belief about the bible or this doctrine or that doctrine it was like tied to who am i and what is my community what where how do i belong to this group of people and um So the more that I began to look at those deeper kind of questions and attachments of who I thought I was, some of the surface stuff, like what do I believe about this specific thing, didn't matter so much because those were just like kind of farther up in the tree, if you will.
The deeper roots of like who I believed myself to be and those attachments were really where the deepest healing needed to happen.
Yeah, for a while, even family and the closest people in my life, it was all stressful because when you have a community that puts belief before belonging sometimes, which is something I've seen a lot in a lot of different religious spaces, and that can really infiltrate into deepest friendships, family, all that kind of stuff.
And I've met a lot of people who've had similar experiences where it's like questioning this one thing, you know, like hell or becoming affirming of LGBTQ people or any kind of single issue.
So sometimes these questions for a lot of us, it's not just about the logic of it or just about the single issue.
It's like if I change my position, I kind of like become the other team to a lot of people in my world.
So when you decided this, were you very scared or did you do this? Because you said, yeah.
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