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The first is, when we say Ola al-Shulchan Malachem, does that relate to the min maichol, the type of food? Or does it refer to this particular food in specific and its preparation? Meaning, let's say you have a potato.
A potato can be prepared as a beautiful delicacy where it's presented exactly as a side dish or as a main dish.
You know, if you look in the Ar Chashok, there's a whole discussion about how potatoes were eaten, how they were eaten in Europe versus how they're eaten today.
But let's assume, let's go with potatoes because this is going to be the hot-button issue.
Maybe that's going to be the main dish or a part of the main dish, as we'll see in a little bit, certainly at a king's feast.
But you can also slice potatoes into super thin slices and fry them in a deep fryer and present them as potato chips in a bag.
So do you say that potatoes as a min are olal shulchem olachim and therefore potato chips would require Bishol Yisrael? Or do you say no, potato chips, that's not something that would ever be olal shulchem olachim and only potatoes in their full form, the way that they would be presented at a king's table, but potato chips are not included.
So we saw in the Yisra'vah Heter, Yisra'vah Heter had two comments, and the primary raya is for the fact that when we discussed in the beginning of Simen Kofiud Beis, when it came to Passa Oros V'dochan, that it's not subject to Passakum.
In that context, the Yisra'vah Heter said, well, it could be subject to Bishlakum because people make... dishes, they cook rice, and that could be subject to b'shalachim, because that's going to be olal shulchem olachim.
So the simple way that most people understand this Yeshuvah Heter is that the Yeshuvah Heter says that rice is determined as a food which is Ola al-Shulchan Malachim, and therefore every presentation of rice, even rice bread, and you would not serve rice bread at a Shulchan Malachim, even rice bread is going to be subject to B'Shulachim.
Now, Rabbi Belsky, Zichron Levracha, he disputed this interpretation of the Yeshuvah Heter, but the predominant view is is that it is, and the second comment was that the Israelite thought that the kurkavan, even though the Gemara says, kurkavan, you eat that, you're a lot of bananas, but kurkavan, that's also, and interestingly, the Shach, although he rejects the Passover's argument, he accepts the kurkavan point, so therefore, based on this, people said, in the name of Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetzky, and there was also a quick line from Moshe Feinstein, one of those posthumous and published chuvahs, that they thought that potato chips required Bishel Yisrael.
Yes.
Yes.
But if you have rice in a rice cooker, rice is something which is served probably at a state dinner.
The first is, when we say Ola al-Shulchan Malachem, does that relate to the min maichol, the type of food? Or does it refer to this particular food in specific and its preparation? Meaning, let's say you have a potato.
A potato can be prepared as a beautiful delicacy where it's presented exactly as a side dish or as a main dish.
You know, if you look in the Ar Chashok, there's a whole discussion about how potatoes were eaten, how they were eaten in Europe versus how they're eaten today.
But let's assume, let's go with potatoes because this is going to be the hot-button issue.
Maybe that's going to be the main dish or a part of the main dish, as we'll see in a little bit, certainly at a king's feast.
But you can also slice potatoes into super thin slices and fry them in a deep fryer and present them as potato chips in a bag.
So do you say that potatoes as a min are olal shulchem olachim and therefore potato chips would require Bishol Yisrael? Or do you say no, potato chips, that's not something that would ever be olal shulchem olachim and only potatoes in their full form, the way that they would be presented at a king's table, but potato chips are not included.
So we saw in the Yisra'vah Heter, Yisra'vah Heter had two comments, and the primary raya is for the fact that when we discussed in the beginning of Simen Kofiud Beis, when it came to Passa Oros V'dochan, that it's not subject to Passakum.
In that context, the Yisra'vah Heter said, well, it could be subject to Bishlakum because people make... dishes, they cook rice, and that could be subject to b'shalachim, because that's going to be olal shulchem olachim.
So the simple way that most people understand this Yeshuvah Heter is that the Yeshuvah Heter says that rice is determined as a food which is Ola al-Shulchan Malachim, and therefore every presentation of rice, even rice bread, and you would not serve rice bread at a Shulchan Malachim, even rice bread is going to be subject to B'Shulachim.
Now, Rabbi Belsky, Zichron Levracha, he disputed this interpretation of the Yeshuvah Heter, but the predominant view is is that it is, and the second comment was that the Israelite thought that the kurkavan, even though the Gemara says, kurkavan, you eat that, you're a lot of bananas, but kurkavan, that's also, and interestingly, the Shach, although he rejects the Passover's argument, he accepts the kurkavan point, so therefore, based on this, people said, in the name of Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetzky, and there was also a quick line from Moshe Feinstein, one of those posthumous and published chuvahs, that they thought that potato chips required Bishel Yisrael.
Yes.
Yes.
But if you have rice in a rice cooker, rice is something which is served probably at a state dinner.
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