Where Work Meets Life™ with Dr. Laura
Jul 28, 2026 · 38 min · 13 segments
In this episode of *Where Work Meets Life*, Dr. Laura sits down with Dr. Max Klau, author of *Developing Servant Leaders at Scale* and founder of the Center for Courageous Wholeness, to explore why…
Max KlauGuest
Laura Hambley LovettHostSo what keeps you up at night? So if ever you have trouble sleeping, what's going on in your mind about the state of what's happening in the world and how you're trying to make a difference?

When I read the headlines, look at the world, I see unconfronted shadow everywhere.

There's greed and hate and grievance, which is so different from our higher impulses of gratitude and service to others and a sense of abundance.

And the last seven years in particular were around folks stepping into politics and And the thing I've learned is even people who have been through some of America's most character, most formative character shaping institutions are, you know, military academies and Ivy league schools, master's programs, people who have literally done everything you need to do to, to step into power at the highest level.

They just haven't been invited to think about shadow within themselves and what it means when we don't confront our shadow.

The world is where it is because there's so little kind of consciousness around shadow, especially with people who have power.

And so it means there's something we can do about it, which is try and get more people to understand this and do this work and just arrive at this consciousness that we're all whole.

And the more conscious we are of the shadow, the more skillfully we can work with our wholeness.
So what keeps you up at night? So if ever you have trouble sleeping, what's going on in your mind about the state of what's happening in the world and how you're trying to make a difference?

When I read the headlines, look at the world, I see unconfronted shadow everywhere.

There's greed and hate and grievance, which is so different from our higher impulses of gratitude and service to others and a sense of abundance.

And the last seven years in particular were around folks stepping into politics and And the thing I've learned is even people who have been through some of America's most character, most formative character shaping institutions are, you know, military academies and Ivy league schools, master's programs, people who have literally done everything you need to do to, to step into power at the highest level.

They just haven't been invited to think about shadow within themselves and what it means when we don't confront our shadow.

The world is where it is because there's so little kind of consciousness around shadow, especially with people who have power.

And so it means there's something we can do about it, which is try and get more people to understand this and do this work and just arrive at this consciousness that we're all whole.

And the more conscious we are of the shadow, the more skillfully we can work with our wholeness.
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