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Aug 26, 2026 · 54 min · 18 segments
Hi, Welcome to the Divorce Allies Podcast. I’m Melissa Gragg, and today I’m speaking with Chelsea M. Williams, a financial architect who helps women understand their money stories and take control of…
Melissa GraggHost
Chelsea M. WilliamsGuest
Well, and I, I, I think I see a lot of people- Especially in the gray divorce area, which, you know, like we're basically in the gray divorce ar- you know, like anybody over 40 or 50 at this point is in the gray area.

But what I will see is that everybody starts to get concerned that they're not prepped for retirement.

And, you know, there's a lot of shame around being very truthful about money, and I don't know, like, what your perspective...

You know, like, where does that shame come? You know, and, and, and I know 'cause I'm a Gen X-er, and a, a lot of times I think that these are kind of like things that happen in tranches.

But, you know, the shame around money or talking about it, you know, like I still to this day don't necessarily talk to, you know, certain relatives about money or my father.

Like I- I'm the only beneficiary, but yet we've never really had substantive conversations about it because that's just kind of a no-no, right? So where does this shame come, and how do you start to deal with it? Or do you see it show up when people start saying, "Oh, I don't have a retirement plan and, and I'm 55, and, you know, I guess I'm just a loser," or I haven't done this.

Like that- we can't be honest, so instead we're like, "Oh yeah, I, I, I'm okay.

You know, yeah, we got a 401[k], or we got, we got some money set aside," and then the money is five grand, right? You know, so where do you see that shame kind of show up in money?

First of all, I wanna give your listeners the opportunity to give themselves grace-

And the piece that you need to have grace for yourself around is that nobody taught you.

Grade school, high school, my finance degree didn't, didn't cover it well enough.

You're ashamed because you don't know, and you feel like you've made mistakes.

There's a saying that, and it's completely true, "Show me your bank account and your calendar, and I will tell you what your priorities are." That shame can also come because of the discrepancy between those two things.

There's an exercise I do with people, and I first tell them, "Describe to me who you are as a person.

And then I said, "If you couldn't tell me anything and I had to look at your bank account and your calendar, what would it tell me about who you are as a person and what your priorities are?" And oftentimes that comes out to be very different, and so there's a lot of guilt and shame there.

Well, and I, I, I think I see a lot of people- Especially in the gray divorce area, which, you know, like we're basically in the gray divorce ar- you know, like anybody over 40 or 50 at this point is in the gray area.

But what I will see is that everybody starts to get concerned that they're not prepped for retirement.

And, you know, there's a lot of shame around being very truthful about money, and I don't know, like, what your perspective...

You know, like, where does that shame come? You know, and, and, and I know 'cause I'm a Gen X-er, and a, a lot of times I think that these are kind of like things that happen in tranches.

But, you know, the shame around money or talking about it, you know, like I still to this day don't necessarily talk to, you know, certain relatives about money or my father.

Like I- I'm the only beneficiary, but yet we've never really had substantive conversations about it because that's just kind of a no-no, right? So where does this shame come, and how do you start to deal with it? Or do you see it show up when people start saying, "Oh, I don't have a retirement plan and, and I'm 55, and, you know, I guess I'm just a loser," or I haven't done this.

Like that- we can't be honest, so instead we're like, "Oh yeah, I, I, I'm okay.

You know, yeah, we got a 401[k], or we got, we got some money set aside," and then the money is five grand, right? You know, so where do you see that shame kind of show up in money?

First of all, I wanna give your listeners the opportunity to give themselves grace-

And the piece that you need to have grace for yourself around is that nobody taught you.

Grade school, high school, my finance degree didn't, didn't cover it well enough.

You're ashamed because you don't know, and you feel like you've made mistakes.

There's a saying that, and it's completely true, "Show me your bank account and your calendar, and I will tell you what your priorities are." That shame can also come because of the discrepancy between those two things.

There's an exercise I do with people, and I first tell them, "Describe to me who you are as a person.

And then I said, "If you couldn't tell me anything and I had to look at your bank account and your calendar, what would it tell me about who you are as a person and what your priorities are?" And oftentimes that comes out to be very different, and so there's a lot of guilt and shame there.
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