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Unbuffered

More Than the Sum of the Parts - Episode 7 of Unbuffered

May 5, 2026 · 54 min · 19 segments

A conversation about AI policy, emergent systems, distributed knowledge, and why the things that are easiest to measure “might not be the right things to measure.” ★ Support this podcast ★

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Speakers: Neil ChilsenGuestChristopher MitchellHost

Show signals: SuitabilitySafeBiasLeans leftAudience≈10k followers

Top entities: James C. Scott×9 Washington×9 Transparency×2 Federal Trade Commission×7 Section 230×3

Welcome and Guest Introduction0:00 – 0:40

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Christopher MitchellHost

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[upbeat music] Welcome to another episode of Unbuffered.

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Christopher MitchellHost

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I'm Christopher Mitchell at the Institute for Local Self-Reliance.

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Christopher MitchellHost

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I'm in St. Paul, Minnesota, and today I'm excited to be talking with Neil Chilsen, who is head of AI policy at the Abundance Institute.

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Christopher MitchellHost

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And, uh, also the reason that I asked you to come on, Neil, is, uh, published a great book in 2021 called Getting Out of Control: Emergent Leadership in a Complex World.

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