MKULTRA SURVIVOR Cathy O'Brien: Mind Control, Government Hearings - Feat Nathan Ciszek | TSP #2732

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Robert KalilHost3:33

Hey guys, welcome back to another show, episode of the Typical Skeptic Podcast.

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I'm really excited about my guest today.

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I have my good friend Nathan Sizzak.

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He's going to co-host with me.

Robert KalilHost3:43

But our main guest is the amazing Kathy O'Brien.

Robert KalilHost3:47

Kathy has been coming forward for years about the truth about MKUltra.

Robert KalilHost3:54

i wrote something about it i wrote today on the typical skeptic podcast i'm joined by one of the most recognized and controversial voices in history of alleged government mind control survivor testimony kathy o'brien kathy has spent decades publicly sharing her account of surviving alleged trauma-based mind control and what she describes as covert government programs.

Robert KalilHost4:14

Her story and the Transformation of America material have made her a prominent figure among researchers and communities investigating MKUltra, intelligence programs, trauma, psychological manipulation, and government secrecy.

Robert KalilHost4:27

Joining me is my special cohost, good friend, Nathan Sizzak.

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He's a MyLab whistleblower and member of Project New Awakening, bringing his own perspective and research to what could be an intense and thought-provoking conversation.

Robert KalilHost4:39

With renewed public attention surrounding MKUltra and government accountability, we'll examine the documentation of MKUltra and the investigation of the record-building and what it is about.

Robert KalilHost4:54

We'll also hear directly from Kathy on her personal testimony during the meeting on the Transformation of America and her personal opinion on psychological manipulation today.

Robert KalilHost5:05

And I'm going to bring them to the stage now.

Robert KalilHost5:10

Nate, Kathy, thanks so much for joining me.

Kathy O'BrienGuest5:15

Hello, thank you for having me on.

Nathan CiszekHost5:18

Yeah, thanks for having me too, Rob.

Nathan CiszekHost5:20

And it's nice to see you again, Kathy.

Nathan CiszekHost5:21

It's been probably like two years since we first met.

Nathan CiszekHost5:26

I think it was right here, actually.

Kathy O'BrienGuest5:28

I think it was just quite some time ago.

Kathy O'BrienGuest5:31

Boy, a lot has changed now that the MK Ultra hearings have started and It's just really raised awareness on a global scale of the reality of, you know, that this has been going on a long time.

Nathan CiszekHost5:48

Yeah, it's a step in the right

Robert KalilHost5:49

direction.

Nathan CiszekHost5:56

I think there's a delay.

Nathan CiszekHost5:57

No, I was just going to say that it's a step in the right direction.

Nathan CiszekHost6:00

But I think that the government would like to put this to bed afterward.

Nathan CiszekHost6:05

And I think that's the direction that they're going to go.

Nathan CiszekHost6:08

So we have to make sure that that doesn't happen.

Right.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:12

Right.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:13

That's why I'm excited to be here today.

Robert KalilHost6:18

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost6:19

And that's where I was going to lead off, Kathy.

Robert KalilHost6:21

Did you see them here and what are your takeaways from it? Do you feel like it's a good thing or do you feel like they're holding back a lot?

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:30

I can't, I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:33

Rob, your sound is delayed.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:37

Is it just me or is it?

Nathan CiszekHost6:38

Oh, I hear it too.

Nathan CiszekHost6:41

His voice is breaking up and there's a delay.

Nathan CiszekHost6:45

And his video is freezing up too.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:52

Yeah, that's a question.

Kathy O'BrienGuest6:53

I don't want to miss anything.

Robert KalilHost6:57

Is the connection better at all now? Yeah, a little bit.

Robert KalilHost7:10

Okay.

Robert KalilHost7:10

Okay.

Robert KalilHost7:11

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost7:11

What I was saying, Kathy, was if you can hear me now, I said with the renewed interest in the MKUltra hearings and the fact that they actually did an MKUltra hearing, do you feel like relevant information came out or do you feel like a lot still needs to be uncovered? And do you think they're kind of sugarcoating it or do you feel like we're moving in the right direction?

Kathy O'BrienGuest7:33

I think we're moving in the right direction, and there's a lot more that needs to come out because of the pervasiveness of MKUltra Mind Control and how many directions it has expanded now and the vast number of people who have been affected by it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest7:51

So the survivors need to be heard.

Kathy O'BrienGuest7:55

The bigger picture needs to be told.

Kathy O'BrienGuest7:58

The use of MKUltra on a global scale on...

Kathy O'BrienGuest8:03

Humanity has got to be understood.

Kathy O'BrienGuest8:05

Knowledge is our defense against it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest8:08

These hearings are just one step towards bringing this truth to light because the way I see it, no act of Congress is going to fix this situation.

Kathy O'BrienGuest8:18

It's gone on so long and is so deeply rooted that it's going to take a global great awakening of people realizing how they have been duped so that we can move into a um ultimately a mental and spiritual evolution in light of this truth it's crucial that we understand how easily we're manipulated when trauma occurs

Nathan CiszekHost8:42

yeah because this isn't just what you get in in say like an abduction this is basically being used on us every single day with the media it's being used with what i mean everywhere you look we're being hit with this And then you have the expansion of, you know, like the technologies where they can remotely mind control people and remotely sexually assault and remotely target them and even drive people to commit acts of violence.

Nathan CiszekHost9:11

So this is not actually going over right now.

Nathan CiszekHost9:14

Sorry, go ahead, Kathy.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:16

It's all got to come out, you know, the whole thing.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:19

The formula for mind control is the same, whether it's of an individual, a nation, a classroom, a military of the world, trauma is a basis of it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:28

And it's the way our brains respond to trauma.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:31

It shuts down neuron pathways in our brain when trauma occurs.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:35

So our brains aren't firing properly.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:37

We're not thinking clearly.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:39

We don't have that conscious mind safeguard over our subconscious mind.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:46

And the most basic form of mind control is repetition.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:51

You know, so we get a repetitive media narrative going into the subconscious, literally programming the population.

Kathy O'BrienGuest9:59

The most perfect example of that that I know of is mind control masked as a virus 2020 that was unleashed on the global population.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:09

While everyone was traumatized, like, oh, we're all going to die, we've got this pandemic happening or whatever, the subconscious mind was bombarded with repetitive media narrative.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:22

How many times did you hear, mask up, social distance, get the injection? People were programmed.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:28

to do that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:29

And the devastation of that is apparent.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:34

And now there's so many people that are awake and going, why did I comply with that? They got to understand mind control and how much it drives our thinking.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:46

Because if our subconscious is programmed, it's going to drive our conscious thoughts, and ultimately our actions going forward.

Kathy O'BrienGuest10:54

So understanding the components of it, understanding that we do have defense against it, we do have resiliency, a body, mind, and spirit.

Kathy O'BrienGuest11:05

We're able to come back from what has been imposed, but we've got to have that knowledge.

Kathy O'BrienGuest11:11

This is truth that makes us free.

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In a very special episode brought to you by Alliant University, I asked Dr. Sandra Espinoza, what does therapy actually do? From the science behind therapeutic change to how clinicians approach the work.

to why therapy can feel so difficult to access or even stigmatized in some families and communities, we pull back the curtain on the therapeutic process and explore what meaningful growth

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When the NK Ultra hearings were coming out, a lot of people were calling for you to come forward.

Robert KalilHost13:24

In the community, everybody was saying they should have Kathy O'Brien come forward.

Robert KalilHost13:28

Would that be something you would be interested in? Do you feel like they would call on you?

Kathy O'BrienGuest13:35

Absolutely.

Kathy O'BrienGuest13:36

You know, the first hearings were scheduled for May 13th and they were postponed at the very last minute.

Kathy O'BrienGuest13:43

That was the same night that DNI Tulsi Gabbard's office was raided of all the boxes of MKUltra and JFK files.

Kathy O'BrienGuest13:54

that had been ordered declassified.

Kathy O'BrienGuest13:57

So, you know, they're still scared of something.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:00

They're still working hard to keep this quiet.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:05

My case has been under national security for decades, and it still is.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:12

In spite of MKUltra hearings having been...

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:16

I mean, the MKUltra files having been somewhat... declassified and released, there's still a lot more that needs to come out.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:27

And apparently my testimony is on it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:30

This time, I would like to be able to testify without national security censoring it like it did.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:37

My first time, 1995, when Bill Clinton was president, Transformation of America.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:45

So once those hearings were postponed, I was contacted and asked to submit some MKUltra documents.

Kathy O'BrienGuest14:55

And it was like I began working on that to make bullet points of, you know, extreme points that needed to be dealt with.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:07

I was working on about five hours when I got blasted by a tornado.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:12

It came out of the blue, hit the house.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:15

The devastation was horrid.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:18

Over 38 trees fell on my house.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:21

Needless to say, my efforts were disrupted for a little while there with that happening.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:29

This tornado was...

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:32

There's no path.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:34

And the trees fell from all four sides onto my house.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:39

Nobody was hurt.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:41

The house is still standing.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:43

But the devastation, the distraction is just one more thing, whether... that was imposed or not.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:53

No one else was affected.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:55

Not even my neighbors at the end of the driveway had a leaf blown in their yard.

Kathy O'BrienGuest15:59

And yet, you know, I'm still digging out from the devastation of that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:03

So I got those papers compiled anyway, and they're successfully submitted.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:09

So ha ha, you know, if it was an effort to silence me, they missed again.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:15

I will not be silenced.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:17

I will not stop.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:18

This truth has got to come out.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:20

Because in my lifetime, MKUltra Mind Control has expanded from the child sex trafficking that I was used in to child sex trafficking becoming one of the most lucrative businesses on the planet.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:33

It is the funding mechanism of the whole agenda.

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:37

So, you know, it's got to stop.

Robert KalilHost16:41

Nate, did you want to go or?

Nathan CiszekHost16:43

Well, actually, I wasn't even aware that that had happened to you, Kathy.

Nathan CiszekHost16:47

So this is – was this a recent event?

Kathy O'BrienGuest16:51

It happened a little over a month ago, and that was – it happened – And I've released the information, but, you know, censorship is just still, you know, real strong.

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:05

Some people have stepped forward to help and donate, which I deeply, deeply appreciate because, you know, with no real definition, the insurance is, I mean, I think insurance is...

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:18

It's like the IRS, you know, it's just one of those red tape hassles we have to go through.

Robert KalilHost17:25

Maybe we can get you some donations today.

Robert KalilHost17:27

Tell people right now how they can donate.

Robert KalilHost17:29

Like, you know, and I can put a comment in the chat if you want me to as well.

Robert KalilHost17:35

Thank you.

Robert KalilHost17:36

I

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:36

really appreciate that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:37

Yes, they can.

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:38

There's several ways to donate on my website, trance-formation.com. You can see it right there by my name, T-R-A-N-C-E hyphen.

Kathy O'BrienGuest17:48

formation.com and um i'm so grateful for any of the help that i've had because i really don't have time to slow down for this because since the mk ultra hearings went forward on june 30th and we're opening those doors the global awareness of mk ultra has um it it's it's amazing and the the the extent of the questions that are being asked now are so wise and educated and people are wanting and demanding the answers.

Kathy O'BrienGuest18:23

They're tired of the coverup.

Kathy O'BrienGuest18:25

They're tired of waiting on government.

Kathy O'BrienGuest18:27

They're tired of waiting on this corrupt system and people want the truth.

Kathy O'BrienGuest18:32

So, you know, whether it's through the hearings or podcasts like this, thank you for giving me voice.

Kathy O'BrienGuest18:39

The truth is getting out there and people just need to know what to watch out for, how to protect themselves when trauma occurs going forward.

Robert KalilHost18:49

The only thing I wanted to ask you was, I was listening to one of your talks today, and it seems like everybody usually uses this.

Robert KalilHost19:01

For example, I heard you talking that George Bush used his son, like G.W. Bush Jr. was a pawn in MKUltra or something like that.

Robert KalilHost19:11

Is that true? Do you think he was?

Kathy O'BrienGuest19:14

absolutely it's in my 1995 testimony you know and that censorship has kept this information down so long and it's really important for people to understand george bush ran this country through many administrations he was the power behind the scene and then even um raising his own son to be Manchurian candidate.

Kathy O'BrienGuest19:38

And he and Dick Cheney ran George Bush Jr.'s administration.

Kathy O'BrienGuest19:42

I think a lot of people had eyes to see and could see that they were the ones that were in control.

Kathy O'BrienGuest19:48

But George Bush Sr. told us he was ushering in a new world order that is a slave society agenda intended to dumb us down, align us with AI, make us compliant.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:00

That's what mind control is all about, to dumb us down and align us with that compliance.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:07

So, um, George Bush told us about it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:09

It's got other names that call it great reset agenda, 2030, whatever.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:14

It's, um, it's been going on my whole life and people are finally, um, waking up to the reality of that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:21

I think proof of that would be that, um, they tried to come out with more plandemic fear, you know, and nobody who Nobody lined up for the job.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:29

You know, there's like no way they're doing it again, because that's knowledge as our defense against mind control.

Kathy O'BrienGuest20:36

Once we learn, we don't comply anymore.

Robert KalilHost20:39

Yeah, absolutely.

Robert KalilHost20:40

Absolutely.

Robert KalilHost20:42

Kathy, Congress is now openly describing documented MKUltra activities in extremely serious terms.

Robert KalilHost20:47

After decades of telling your story, what is it like hearing Congress publicly acknowledge the severity of what the CIA actually did? And do you think that they're holding back? Do you think they can be a little more? It seems like they are compared to like what your testimony is and how deep you go.

Robert KalilHost21:05

It seems like they're kind of holding back or maybe they don't know.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:09

I think they know.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:10

I think it's a matter of what can the people actually digest.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:15

If I were to give my testimony first thing, that would be so much information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:20

It would be like drinking from a fire hose.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:22

It's just too much to digest.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:23

They've got to lay some groundwork.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:25

They've got to give the history.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:26

They've got to start showing people.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:28

I was quite impressed with the panel.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:31

The line of questioning and the groundwork that they laid, to me, they flung open a lot of doors that need to be walked through now so that we can continue to bring the far-reaching aspects of this to light.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:45

Back when President Kennedy said that the CIA needed to be scattered into a thousand pieces, And as a victim of CIA MKUltra mind control, I'm like, yeah, it does.

Kathy O'BrienGuest21:57

But that's not going to be enough now.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:00

The CIA has extended into so many branches of government.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:04

The MKUltra has permeated global society.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:08

We would have to start dismantling the scattering the FBI and CPS, Child Protective Services, which is just a...

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:19

A child trafficking pipeline, it's just been totally corrupted to perpetuate child sex trafficking.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:28

It's horrific how far reaching this has gone into the education system.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:33

We got to get rid of the Department of Education.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:35

We got to get rid of big pharmas.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:39

Hold on the media and the money that's manipulating the information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:47

that we're allowed to even hear through the controlled media.

Kathy O'BrienGuest22:51

Look how much of mainstream media censored President Trump's most recent speech on the rigged elections.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:05

They just completely ignored that speech.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:11

whatever, politics isn't going to save us.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:14

It's up to us.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:15

It's up to the people.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:17

But still, we need to know and fully understand that this election fraud has been going on my whole life.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:26

Gerald Ford was the one who covered up the Kennedy assassination, went in to become unelected president in the United States.

Kathy O'BrienGuest23:34

And in the wake of the Kennedy assassination is when the um electronic voting machines came into play they were rigged since their inception follow the money on the first ones the die bold um electronic voting machines and it goes right straight to george bush and dick cheney that's who was um orchestrating those from the get-go to place people in key positions of um

Hey, it's Gemma Spegg from the psychology of your 20s.

In a very special episode brought to you by Alliant University, I ask Dr. Sandra Espinoza, what does therapy actually do? From the science behind therapeutic change to how clinicians approach the work.

to why therapy can feel so difficult to access or even stigmatized in some families and communities, we pull back the curtain on the therapeutic process and explore what meaningful growth actually looks

like.

I didn't go to therapy until my mid-late 20s, I think it was almost.

And it was a career that I was pursuing and I was still nervous.

I am a much better wife, daughter, friend, mom, because I'm a therapist.

What makes a good therapist? We want to hear your story.

I tell my clients, you are the expert in your story, and I am going to be a witness to that.

You can listen to this full episode of The Psychology of Your 20s on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Kathy O'BrienGuest26:04

power and influence that would further this globalist agenda and this slave society, MK ultra compliance.

Kathy O'BrienGuest26:12

So, you know, we've got a lot to dismantle now.

Kathy O'BrienGuest26:15

We've got a long way to go.

Kathy O'BrienGuest26:17

And for people to just grasp the whole full picture and say, okay, you know, I don't think they're, they've been dumbed down so long.

Kathy O'BrienGuest26:25

They got to start waking up and taking in, you know, as much as they're capable of at a time so that they are empowered.

Kathy O'BrienGuest26:34

by truth rather than overwhelmed by it.

Robert KalilHost26:38

Yeah, I agree.

Robert KalilHost26:40

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost26:40

Nate, did you?

Nathan CiszekHost26:42

Well, yeah, I actually have an interesting question for Kathy.

Nathan CiszekHost26:46

What are your thoughts on some of these admissions actually being or actually having an ulterior motive where the elites are actually doing a type of ritual where they expose their self to kind of gain acceptance through like basically the transference of negative karma? What are your thoughts on that? Because that appears to be what's happening with a lot of this, because I know there really isn't a plan to do anything after these hearings, unless we all start to do something on our own.

Nathan CiszekHost27:17

Like you're saying, it's the only way it's going to happen.

Nathan CiszekHost27:20

I don't see anything coming from them other than engineering compliance issues.

Nathan CiszekHost27:25

because i think it's getting to the point where people are just so overwhelmed with things and they realize they don't have anybody to represent them and now they're starting to see what what these people are actually up to you know when we're not actually watching them so they're getting to the point where they just want to live their lives and they just wish the evil doers would run the government they could care less about everything else that they're doing and i think that's part of the engineering of its of acceptance what do you think

Kathy O'BrienGuest27:53

I think it all backfired on them because, you know, we've got the victory, the strength of the human spirit, you know, within us all.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:01

We really can't be squashed when we remember who we are and why we're here.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:07

And I kind of laugh about that because it's occurred to me they were going to pull out the alien card.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:12

That was going to be their big one to make evident.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:15

Everyone panic and fear and say, oh, yes, government, save us, save us, you know.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:20

And that's not working anymore.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:22

People don't trust government at all.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:24

Now, if they pull the alien card, people will go, oh, right.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:27

Thank God.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:27

Something different.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:29

Yeah.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:30

Something better.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:31

You know, so they've kind of they keep shooting themselves in the foot with the plans that they had just because people are much wiser and than they give them credit for.

Kathy O'BrienGuest28:45

And wisdom out thinks their criminal minds and artificial intelligence every time.

Robert KalilHost28:51

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost28:51

You know what I wanted to ask you? A lot of people think that some of this human trafficking does go off planet.

Robert KalilHost28:57

I don't know how much you get into this or if you think, but I know Carrie Cassidy's come on and talked about it and this woman that used to come on my show, Renetta Jones, they all talked about a galactic slave trade that was going on Do you believe that could be happening just from your knowledge? Do you believe that maybe some of this goes off planet, like the government or the black ops is using this to either abduct people and build colonies on other worlds or just make people slaves? What do you think about that?

Kathy O'BrienGuest29:32

I think there's a whole lot of child harvesting that is going on and organ harvesting and adrenochrome and horrible things that we don't really want to realize.

Kathy O'BrienGuest29:45

It would be easier to think that they're being colonized off planet.

Kathy O'BrienGuest29:51

But I can only speak of my experience.

Kathy O'BrienGuest29:55

That was no part of my experience or any of the discussions that I heard or anything any of the way that the aliens were discussed.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:06

It wouldn't make sense in that regard because it was discussed at the Epstein Islands of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan, and Bohemian Grove and everything else by George Bush and other global leaders in this effort that the aliens are, are dimensional and it's time travel that much of it is us in the future.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:31

And it's, you know, there, there's so many other different, different thoughts to this than to think in terms of a 3d reality.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:40

So to, um, Not that there isn't a 3D reality.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:46

It's just that we have so many other aspects to consider.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:49

And the things that I heard don't coordinate with this.

Kathy O'BrienGuest30:54

But what I heard was that when humanity became harder to control, With mind control, with MKUltra, that our numbers would be reduced to a much more manageable size.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:10

And targeting the children was the number one plan.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:13

And we're definitely seeing that happen.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:20

I don't know about the genetic creations and the mutations and everything else that they're doing, but they had that capability there.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:26

back when I was under MK Ultra.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:29

So I can only imagine what they're doing today.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:31

I certainly think that there's much more intelligent life out there.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:40

And I know that, you know, having been around these, perpetrators deep in the swamp, the ones at the top and everything, they are not like us and they do not like us.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:51

We can call them demons.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:53

We can call them aliens.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:54

We can call them what we want, but they are not like us at all.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:58

And they don't like us at all.

Kathy O'BrienGuest31:59

So they they're trying to bring us down to their, low vibration level, they feed off a low vibration, they feed off of hatred, fear, division, trauma, that they literally feed off the adrenalized blood, they feed off of the unthinkable, and again, you know, they're not like us, but why, you know, I don't know, I just, I'm Who knows? I don't know at all.

Kathy O'BrienGuest32:32

I only know my own life's experience.

Kathy O'BrienGuest32:35

And what I do know is answer enough to the magnitude of what's going on.

Robert KalilHost32:41

Yeah, that was very well said.

Robert KalilHost32:43

What I wanted to ask you was regarding Epstein.

Robert KalilHost32:46

I'm sure you studied the Epstein case pretty extensively because it ties into MKUltra.

Robert KalilHost32:52

Do you think he's alive? Does your case intersect with Epstein at all?

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:04

I know that the Epstein case, the Epstein files could be a thread that if pulled slowly and deliberately could unravel this whole global agenda.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:20

I do know that much.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:21

I have not researched it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:23

I haven't read the files.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:25

What I am so focused on helping the trafficked children heal to help other survivors heal.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:32

I'm so focused on bringing my own testimony forward with what I do know that I don't really, everything I say is from experience rather than research.

Kathy O'BrienGuest33:46

And so, and then the other aspect of Epstein is that the Madeline Albright, who was head of the Organization of American States, and she ran the State Department, she was Hillary Clinton's mentor, one of Hillary Clinton's mentor, ran the drug and human trafficking out of the Caribbean and Absolutely horrible person.

Kathy O'BrienGuest34:13

Her office was in St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, and she was very much a part of setting up the Epstein Island aspect with the genetic alterations, the whole complete mess that Hillary Clinton was already involved in.

Kathy O'BrienGuest34:31

So they were already involved in child sex trafficking, in human trafficking out of Haiti.

Kathy O'BrienGuest34:41

and feeding it into their ultimate agenda of creating a very compliant race, reducing our numbers to a more manageable size, and harvesting and trafficking the children.

Kathy O'BrienGuest34:56

So all the groundwork had already been laid by Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton for all of that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest35:04

And I see Epstein as just one that everybody's blaming everything on when in fact, we've got to look beyond just the person into this whole network, why and how it was started and how whenever they're exposed, they just pop up over here.

Kathy O'BrienGuest35:26

So like I said, I was trafficked at the Epstein Island of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan.

Kathy O'BrienGuest35:32

Bohemian Grove, there's always Epstein Islands around, but it is a very important thread that we could pull to unravel the whole MKUltra mess because MKUltra, the children that are trafficked are MKUltra'd.

Kathy O'BrienGuest35:51

They are also used to perpetuate MKUltra through the blackmail operations.

Kathy O'BrienGuest35:56

And they are also the funding mechanism of the MK Ultra Ops.

Kathy O'BrienGuest36:01

So, you know, they're a very key component and Epstein is very key in being able to unravel this mess so that we can effectively protect our children going forward.

Hey, it's Gemma Spegg from the psychology of your 20s.

In a very special episode brought to you by Alliant University, I ask Dr. Sandra Espinoza, what does therapy actually do? From the science behind therapeutic change to how clinicians approach the work.

to why therapy can feel so difficult to access or even stigmatized in some families and communities, we pull back the curtain on the therapeutic process and explore what meaningful growth actually looks

like.

I didn't go to therapy until my mid-late 20s, I think it was almost.

And it was a career that I was pursuing and I was still nervous.

I am a much better wife, daughter, friend, mom, because I'm a therapist.

What makes a good therapist? We want to hear your story.

I tell my clients, you are the expert in your story, and I am going to be a witness

to that.

You can listen to this full episode of The Psychology of Your 20s on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Nathan CiszekHost38:16

You know, when it comes down to shutting down human intuition, you know, the human mind and the human heart, with the stabinations, we find that they affect the hippocampus.

Nathan CiszekHost38:27

So that's the region that helps you see things, that helps you see, it helps you harness your intuition.

Nathan CiszekHost38:33

And it helps you analyze things.

Nathan CiszekHost38:35

And what I'm seeing is more and more is like since the stabinations, I'm seeing less and less of the people that I once knew.

Nathan CiszekHost38:43

They're not quite the same.

Nathan CiszekHost38:44

They're not quite as feeling, not quite as connected.

Nathan CiszekHost38:47

And, you know, and I think what you've been talking about, Kathy, that is a core of their agenda is to get us to be in that state.

Nathan CiszekHost38:56

And then you add the other things on to that.

Nathan CiszekHost38:58

You have various pharmaceuticals out there.

Nathan CiszekHost39:00

They're over prescribed for the wrong reasons.

Nathan CiszekHost39:04

And I'm not referring to opioids.

Nathan CiszekHost39:05

I'm talking about mainly the synthetic substitutes for those as well as nerve drugs and so on and so forth that are over prescribed for people.

Nathan CiszekHost39:15

And they're being prescribed for people having surgeries now and a lot of other things, or even given these drugs to pets.

Nathan CiszekHost39:22

So it's all an effort to get us to be less connected to each other and to our environment and not caring and just in a zombified state where we're very reactionary, especially to, like you were saying earlier, to repetitive storylines, say like in the media, which is basically social engineering.

Nathan CiszekHost39:44

So they're drugging us.

Nathan CiszekHost39:45

They're, they're affecting us, you know, genetically, physiologically, they're putting us into a state where we're easy to, you know, to control.

Nathan CiszekHost39:55

And people were falling for it.

Nathan CiszekHost39:56

And I really don't have a solution to this other than just to keep talking about and educating people and just keep, you know, staying out there as one of the exceptions.

Nathan CiszekHost40:08

You

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:08

brilliantly stated.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:11

Like I said, they're a low vibration, dark negative energy force.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:15

Their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit, the infinite power of love.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:19

It's too high of a vibration for them.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:21

It's where our wisdom is.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:23

It's our saving grace.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:24

It's humanity's.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:26

It's how the victory we're designed with all along.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:32

So my experience in MKUltra taught me that without free thought, There's no free will.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:39

And without free will, there's no soul expression.

Kathy O'BrienGuest40:41

When we lose our soul expression, we lose our discernment of truth, our compassion for each other, our ability to go within and align with the divine within and gather that strength of human spirit, infinite power of love, the very purpose of why we're even here at this pivotal moment in humanity's history.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:01

You know, so it's an intended disruption of that aspect of our lives.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:08

In that regard, mind control is a spiritual warfare because energetically speaking, that is what they fear.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:18

I'm not speaking religiously to that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:20

I'm speaking energetically.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:24

When we have that full ability to align with the strength of the human spirit, we do have those intuitions, those other capacities, the amazing aspects of life that we're designed to be living.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:40

And so my most recent book I just released is called Align with the Divine.

Kathy O'BrienGuest41:46

And it's to remind people That we need to reground into who we are and how we can regain these heightened senses, these intuitions, the telepathic capability and everything else.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:02

Animals have these senses.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:04

They can sense who's good and bad.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:05

They get the frequency thing.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:07

They're telepathic and they can bring us back to our senses when we attune to them.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:14

So, in many ways, my Align with the Divine is about getting out in nature, feeling the sun on your skin and realigning with the animals because they can show us back to our true nature.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:28

So, Align with the Divine, you know, I thought it was just going to be a helpful book for survivors.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:35

And it turned out to be as heavily censored as my 1995 testimony for Congress, Transformation of America.

Kathy O'BrienGuest42:44

That's how afraid they are of the strength of the human spirit and the intuitions that you were just talking about.

Nathan CiszekHost42:50

Kathy, I noticed that the social media algorithms and the... excuse me, the real-time censorship that we experience when we're using social media actually goes after things that are positive that way.

Nathan CiszekHost43:08

So if you're talking about the creator in a positive sense, you're going to get censored.

Nathan CiszekHost43:14

If you're using hate and you're using that to describe the creator, you're going to get basically promoted into an echo chamber.

Nathan CiszekHost43:21

But they have this whole thing engineered to where they're amplifying the negativity and people don't even really, they're not seeing the other patterns as well.

Nathan CiszekHost43:30

So they're falling into that trap.

Kathy O'BrienGuest43:34

That's why I keep reminding people to get out in their communities, you know, shut off their devices.

Kathy O'BrienGuest43:39

Go talk to each other, eye to eye, heart to heart, soul to soul.

Kathy O'BrienGuest43:43

See what difference we can make in our own communities because when we get out there, we realize that there's so much more positive happening.

Kathy O'BrienGuest43:50

Traveling the world like I do, it's such a beautiful view of seeing what people are actually doing versus what we're conditioned to perceive as happening with humanity on a global scale.

Kathy O'BrienGuest44:02

You know, it's vastly different than what we're fed when we get out and experience the reality of the beauty of life that's actually going on in our world.

Robert KalilHost44:16

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost44:17

Well, one thing I want to ask you about was from the hearing when Kinzer testified that MKUltra experiments, he kind of said that they extended internationally.

Robert KalilHost44:25

According to the committee summary, Kinzer characterized experiments as extraordinarily extreme and said they occurred in prisons, clinics and safe houses in the United States, as well as Europe, Asia and America.

Robert KalilHost44:36

Okay.

Robert KalilHost44:36

But like, okay.

Robert KalilHost44:38

So he's saying, but like, I think he's avoiding the fact that people were used as like Manchurian candidates and people were using like project monarch, like you are and used as like sex kit slaves and kittens and stuff like that.

Robert KalilHost44:51

Like, do you, do you see them avoiding that? It seems like.

Robert KalilHost44:54

I

Kathy O'BrienGuest44:55

think they're laying groundwork for it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest44:57

Um, you know, it remains to be seen what comes out regardless.

Kathy O'BrienGuest45:01

I am considering it to be groundwork laid and, um, And using it to, you know, jump off that to bring more information to light and it's given me a much stronger basis for being able to speak because when I started speaking out in 1990 people had no point of reference for the information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest45:21

And they've certainly got a point of reference for it now, even their own experience, even seeing the indoctrination of children in the school systems and how people are, their minds are being manipulated and shaped by knowledge, by information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest45:38

So, you know, it's a much... different platform to be able to speak out from, I would hope that this is only the beginning and it continues to go to other levels.

Kathy O'BrienGuest45:52

Because of the documents that I was asked to submit, I am... encouraged that that can actually happen and actually unfold.

Kathy O'BrienGuest46:03

The CIA is obviously in panic, and they're not the only ones that need to be.

Kathy O'BrienGuest46:09

This is global.

Kathy O'BrienGuest46:11

We've got the Tavistock UK version.

Kathy O'BrienGuest46:16

This is just worldwide.

Kathy O'BrienGuest46:18

It's affected everyone on any level if they have a television.

Robert KalilHost46:24

Yeah.

Robert KalilHost46:24

Yeah, yeah.

Robert KalilHost46:25

Nate, did you have a question?

Nathan CiszekHost46:28

Well, I just want to say one way to peel back the mind control and the conditioning is like you were saying, Kathy, get back and reconnect with animals.

Nathan CiszekHost46:37

And that's a good place.

Nathan CiszekHost46:37

That's a really good place to start.

Nathan CiszekHost46:40

But from there, once you do that, you need to go out and you have to take step two, which I'm sure you obviously know about step two, which is when you start engaging in acts of social, you know, social engineering yourself where you try to bring justice back into the situation and you try to help others and you use those experiences which also come with hardships to expand your emotional state again because one of the things they want to do with repeated just because you're constantly under attack is they're trying to limit your emotional span and then that limits your intuition that limits your ability to interact with your environment and other people So you need to broaden that.

Nathan CiszekHost47:21

And then animals is a great start.

Nathan CiszekHost47:22

And then helping other people.

Nathan CiszekHost47:24

And then just seeing everything as kind of a spiritual endeavor versus just what the programming is, which is just pay your bills, get up, go to work, pay your taxes, come home, sleep, rest so you can go back to work.

Nathan CiszekHost47:36

And then, you know, spend a few hours on the weekend resting again and never doing anything to change anything.

Kathy O'BrienGuest47:43

Yeah, it takes a lot of awareness.

Kathy O'BrienGuest47:46

Mind control shuts down neuron pathways.

Kathy O'BrienGuest47:48

We need to open our neuron pathways.

Kathy O'BrienGuest47:51

When we understand the other components of MKUltra, in addition to trauma, and it had been found in Hitler-Himmler research that there's no trauma more horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:08

Because it creates a compliance for a lifetime unless they heal.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:11

And it is within us to heal.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:14

But this manipulation that has been going on for so long has got to be broken.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:22

We've got to break the genetic chain on all of it and realize that when we stay aligned with the divine, when we stay in tune with the the intuitions and the capabilities that we have, we're able to overcome absolutely anything.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:43

And I really think that's where humanity is going in so many ways.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:49

There's some simple brain hacks that I remind people of.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:52

for reclaiming our free thought, free will, soul expression.

Kathy O'BrienGuest48:57

And that's the very active move in a pen.

Kathy O'BrienGuest49:00

Activates the logic critical analysis part of the brain.

Kathy O'BrienGuest49:04

It helps people cope with trauma, with grief, with repressed memory, with guilt, with anything negative that's immobilizing them.

Kathy O'BrienGuest49:16

The very act of moving a pen activates that critical analysis part of the brain.

Kathy O'BrienGuest49:21

So it takes emotionally incomprehensible trauma, shifts it over to logic where it's written out on paper, consciously seen and dealt with, and healing happens psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, everything all at once happens with this one simple little brain trick.

Kathy O'BrienGuest49:40

And if everybody does that when they're frustrated, feeling overwhelmed and they write out whatever immobilizes them and then add a solution that forces their brain to fire in new ways again and lifts them out of the pit in negativity, gives them a clear view forward and more neuron pathways in the brain are actually opened.

Kathy O'BrienGuest50:01

And this is such an important thing for all of us to understand and to understand that typing on a keyboard does not do the same thing to the brain.

Kathy O'BrienGuest50:12

The twiddling thumbs on a cell phone definitely does not do the same thing.

Hey, it's Gemma Spegg from the Psychology of Your 20s.

In a very special episode brought to you by Alliant University, I ask Dr. Sandra Espinoza, what does therapy actually do? From the science behind therapeutic change to how clinicians approach the work of to why therapy can feel so difficult to access or even stigmatized in some families and communities, we pull back the curtain on the therapeutic process and explore what meaningful growth

actually looks like.

I didn't go to therapy until my mid-late 20s, I think it was almost.

And it was a career that I was pursuing and I was still nervous.

I am a much better wife, daughter, friend, mom, because I'm a therapist.

What makes a good therapist? We want to hear your story.

I tell my clients, you are the expert in your story, and I am going to be a witness to that.

You can listen to this full episode of The Psychology of Your 20s on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is Ashley Iaconetti from the Almost Famous Podcast.

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You can spend the day at a luxury resort, pool, spa, massage without booking an overnight stay.

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And I'm thinking this is exactly what I needed.

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Kathy O'BrienGuest52:20

And that's why writing by hand was taken out of the school system on a global scale.

Kathy O'BrienGuest52:26

That's why they just have computers where the information is controlled.

Kathy O'BrienGuest52:32

and their knowledge base manipulated.

Kathy O'BrienGuest52:34

We're going to need to get writing by hand back in the school system.

Kathy O'BrienGuest52:37

We've got states now that are making it mandatory law to override the so-called Department of Education to get writing by hand back in the school system, because that alone can stop the indoctrination of our children.

Kathy O'BrienGuest52:52

So these are like simple little things we can do in our community to go into the school system and say, no, you're not going to tell my kids teach my child what to think.

Kathy O'BrienGuest53:01

You're going to teach my child how to think, you know, and get that writing back in.

Kathy O'BrienGuest53:06

There's so much that we can do when we're aware of our own mind-brain function and the capabilities that we have when we come back to our senses.

Nathan CiszekHost53:18

yeah i think you'd find too that a lot of people in the education system would actually like to hear what you're saying kathy because i i've got an opportunity you know to meet and speak with a fair number of people and um within that system within the last you know four or five months And they basically, I mean, they're not the stereotype that the media likes to portray, you know, teachers as.

Nathan CiszekHost53:44

They're just like everybody else.

Nathan CiszekHost53:46

You know, they're being forced to do these things, but they see a lot of this stuff and they understand what's going on.

Nathan CiszekHost53:52

So, you know, they're very, very reachable.

Nathan CiszekHost53:55

And there's always those people who are completely, you know, out there in left field or totally brainwashed.

Nathan CiszekHost54:02

But those are the people that they want you to believe, you know, represent.

Nathan CiszekHost54:05

Represent.

Right.

Nathan CiszekHost54:09

More interference.

Nathan CiszekHost54:11

Yeah, they don't represent the school system and those who work in it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest54:16

Yeah, exactly.

Kathy O'BrienGuest54:17

I hear from so many teachers who have realized that they were indoctrinated to indoctrinate.

Kathy O'BrienGuest54:23

And they're, you know, they're wanting to reclaim their free thoughts so they can perpetuate it in the school.

Nathan CiszekHost54:29

It makes learning a lot more fun.

Nathan CiszekHost54:31

And we've just been We've allowed basically mind control to be utilized in every aspect of our society without even paying attention to it and realizing it.

Nathan CiszekHost54:42

So when you sit down and you start to analyze all this stuff like I have for a long time, you see it everywhere.

Nathan CiszekHost54:47

And once you understand the patterns, it becomes very easy just to look at something and within a matter of a moment or two, realize that you're being basically remote mind controlled again.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:02

Yeah, people really need to reclaim their free thought and start moving forward.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:07

I've got a healing trilogy that I've got out now.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:11

The PTSD Time to Heal, the healing methods that intelligence insider Mark Phillips taught me.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:19

It's our birthright information on mind-brain function that was buried under national security.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:24

It's our birthright to healing.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:26

It's our birthright defense against mind control.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:29

And he reminded me of that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:31

Kirk was working so high in intelligence, he couldn't release the information because he was bound by laws of sedition.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:38

But it was my experience to heal with it, so I released it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:41

And PTSD, time to heal.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:43

It's helping a lot of people to reclaim their free thought, free will, just like I did.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:50

It's easy to self-apply because it's natural.

Kathy O'BrienGuest55:53

And then I've got um resolutions and um the one i mentioned align with the divine because people would ask me they'd say well in survivors especially you know they get stuck in victim mentality and and it just kind of perpetuates uh their their high suggestibility which you know um doesn't bring them forward up out of it the way that they're they're seeking and they they ask me how can i um How can I speak out like I do and not be triggered back in? How can I smile after all I've been through? And it's like, because we got the victory and I know it, you know, and I'm so excited at where we're going today and able to share that information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest56:39

So these books are helping others to heal too.

Kathy O'BrienGuest56:44

But we need this in the education system.

Kathy O'BrienGuest56:48

You know, if we could get This kind of healing information in there, that would be just ideal because it's our natural resiliency of body, mind, and spirit.

Kathy O'BrienGuest56:59

It's how we heal mentally, physically, and on all levels.

Kathy O'BrienGuest57:04

We don't need big pharma.

Kathy O'BrienGuest57:07

When we remember who we are, why we're here, and what we're capable of, we've got amazing brains.

Robert KalilHost57:13

I agree.

Robert KalilHost57:14

I agree.

Robert KalilHost57:14

That's really well said.

Robert KalilHost57:16

I guess that's it.

Robert KalilHost57:17

Nate, do you have any other questions? I think that's a good place to ‑‑ do you have any other questions, Nate?

Nathan CiszekHost57:23

I just want to make a statement.

Nathan CiszekHost57:27

Those who have been victims of the programs are the ones that need to educate the public.

Nathan CiszekHost57:33

And I'm a victim of this, too.

Nathan CiszekHost57:36

All of us, you know, collectively have more knowledge than any trained professional in this particular field because it is rather obscure.

Nathan CiszekHost57:43

It's been covered up.

Nathan CiszekHost57:45

that's the whole point of it but um yeah i mean when i see somebody like you kathy going out there and actually taking the knowledge that you gain from these experiences no matter how horrible they are and turning it into a positive and using it in the inverse to educate people to protect their self against this and to expose it for what it is because it's literally prevalent everywhere you look and listen you know i can't thank you enough

Robert KalilHost58:11

Yeah, I second that.

Robert KalilHost58:13

Sorry.

Robert KalilHost58:14

Sorry, go ahead, Kathy.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:17

Thank you.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:18

I really appreciate that.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:21

The insight that I gained, it's got to be brought forward.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:24

What I experienced under mind control, what I experienced being deep in the swamp with those perpetrators, that's all got to come out.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:33

That is truth that people are going to need to embrace so that we can make sure this never happens to humanity again.

Kathy O'BrienGuest58:40

And when they realize it's within us all to heal, that it's within us all to reclaim not only our free thought, free will, but to reclaim our life's purpose and our joy and our ability to align with the miracles that are unfolding around us all the time and, you know, enjoy nature and animals again.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:00

You know, it's...

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:01

It's a beautiful evolution that we're moving into right now.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:05

And this great awakening just needs to accelerate more and faster.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:09

And anything I can do to help people along the way, I'm here for it.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:16

I've survived the impossible.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:17

So I'm going to be sharing what I know and out of love for humanity.

Robert KalilHost59:24

Yeah, it was well said.

Robert KalilHost59:27

Thank you so much, Kathy.

Robert KalilHost59:29

And how can people follow you? How can people get your books and stuff?

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:37

All my books are secured on my website at trance-formation.com.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:42

I also read all my books for Audible.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:45

So all my books are on Audible, read by me to preserve the integrity of information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest59:51

I encourage people to make sure they go to the source for information because my books are pirated and put out as free e-books everywhere with the information altered to promote information.

Kathy O'BrienGuest1:00:03

this agenda to promote MKUltra.

Kathy O'BrienGuest1:00:06

And not only is truth censored, it's diluted.

Kathy O'BrienGuest1:00:12

So make sure that you get the truth.

Kathy O'BrienGuest1:00:15

And when you do, I encourage people, in spite of national security being invoked on my testimony because of the overwhelming evidence, research it for yourself because the more you know the more you see how absolutely inexcusable it is that we allow a handful of dark negative energy force perpetrators to manipulate our brilliant minds and lives anymore so people can reach me through my website and there's a lot of postings there there's a lot of blog posts on how MKUltra applies to today a lot of information there so Yeah, trance-formation.com.

Robert KalilHost1:00:56

Thank you.

Robert KalilHost1:00:56

And Nate, how can people follow you?

Nathan CiszekHost1:00:59

Well, right now I'm getting ready to start my project as soon as I get laid off, another week actually.

Nathan CiszekHost1:01:04

So I just kind of put it off until then.

Nathan CiszekHost1:01:06

But right now it's Project New Awakening at YouTube, and that's where it's at for the moment until I start actually doing it and expanding it.

Nathan CiszekHost1:01:15

So probably in about a week I should be doing more, starting to put out some videos as soon as I get a few days off so I can rest.

Robert KalilHost1:01:24

All right.

Robert KalilHost1:01:24

Well, thank you guys both.

Robert KalilHost1:01:25

I appreciate it.

Robert KalilHost1:01:26

And this was a great show.

Robert KalilHost1:01:28

And thank you, everybody, for tuning in.

Robert KalilHost1:01:30

And until next time.

Robert KalilHost1:01:31

Thank you, Kathy.

Robert KalilHost1:01:31

Thank you, Nate.

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