Transformational Thinkers with Sara Sheehan
Jul 21, 2026 · 35 min · 11 segments
Artificial intelligence is transforming every aspect of business, but are leaders strengthening their own judgment at the same pace that technology is advancing? In this thought-provoking episode of…
Cheryl Strauss EinhornGuest
Sara SheehanHost
Cheryl, I am so glad to have you with me here today on Transformational Thinkers.

Stories so airtight, they halted stock trading and landed a CEO in federal prison.

What did that work teach you about how bad decisions actually get made inside organizations?
So I think what I learned from all of these types of stories is that first, when something doesn't quite seem right, You look at that spot, you often find other things.
I don't think that people necessarily set out to do things that try to cover up a series of mistakes, but sometimes covering up a single mistake can make you make other subpar decisions and therefore further mistakes.
Part of it has to do with the culture that we're in of wanting to seem like we get it right the first time, maybe also wanting to move really quickly.
And that therefore, things that begin pretty small can spiral into much bigger problems.
And I think the other thing is when you find something and somebody immediately denies it, listening to what that denial is.
What kind of information is it? Are they taking it personally or are they actually able to talk about the topic? Because as an investigative journalist, what you're really looking for is not a gotcha, but you're looking to better understand the situation.
It is Occam's razor, right? The most obvious answer really is the right one.
And so you have to be very careful as you poke on these vulnerable spaces.

I'm sure that experience and those skills have served you well throughout your entire career and life.
Yeah, I really think that it has because I think it's given me an opportunity to listen from a variety of lenses to what somebody is saying, to how they're saying it, to what the body language is, conveying.

Cheryl, I am so glad to have you with me here today on Transformational Thinkers.

Stories so airtight, they halted stock trading and landed a CEO in federal prison.

What did that work teach you about how bad decisions actually get made inside organizations?
So I think what I learned from all of these types of stories is that first, when something doesn't quite seem right, You look at that spot, you often find other things.
I don't think that people necessarily set out to do things that try to cover up a series of mistakes, but sometimes covering up a single mistake can make you make other subpar decisions and therefore further mistakes.
Part of it has to do with the culture that we're in of wanting to seem like we get it right the first time, maybe also wanting to move really quickly.
And that therefore, things that begin pretty small can spiral into much bigger problems.
And I think the other thing is when you find something and somebody immediately denies it, listening to what that denial is.
What kind of information is it? Are they taking it personally or are they actually able to talk about the topic? Because as an investigative journalist, what you're really looking for is not a gotcha, but you're looking to better understand the situation.
It is Occam's razor, right? The most obvious answer really is the right one.
And so you have to be very careful as you poke on these vulnerable spaces.

I'm sure that experience and those skills have served you well throughout your entire career and life.
Yeah, I really think that it has because I think it's given me an opportunity to listen from a variety of lenses to what somebody is saying, to how they're saying it, to what the body language is, conveying.
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